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Old 10-16-2011, 03:35 AM
 
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Same as I do
In other words you want the poor to pay a higher tax rate than the rich
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Old 10-16-2011, 03:42 AM
 
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The U.S. Congress spells it out, right here:http://finance.senate.gov/newsroom/r...1-ffc00b5c00ef

According to the U.S. Congressional Joint Committee on Taxation, only 49% of income earners pay any federal income tax.

22% either don't pay or get everything they did pay refunded when they file their tax return, 30% get back MORE than they ever paid in (redistribution of wealth), and only 49% have a net liability of anything above $0 in federal income tax.

What about that do you not understand?
That's "federal income tax". Why the hell are you so anal about federal income tax and insistent that if you don't pay that particular tax then you're a freeloader? Ever hear of other federal taxes like the payroll tax and such? Also state and local taxes (or do they only count when Sean Hannity's paying them?)
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Old 10-16-2011, 03:45 AM
 
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The problem is that they DON'T contribute to the costs incurred by the federal government of the country IN WHICH THEY LIVE via the federal income tax. They're freeloading off the 49% who DO pay federal income tax. 30% are even getting more money FROM the federal government than they pay TO the federal government.
They're are other federal taxes besides the income tax
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Old 10-16-2011, 03:49 AM
 
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Flat tax. Everyone pays the same tax rate. Earn very little; pay very little. Earn A LOT; pay A LOT.

Though, a completely fair tax would be a head tax in which everyone pays the same amount and the costs are equally shared. Would you prefer a head tax so that everyone would be sure to pay their fair share?
A terrible idea and an even worse idea. In both cases the poor would be paying a higher percentage of their income in taxes than would the rich
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Old 10-16-2011, 03:53 AM
 
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A terrible idea and an even worse idea. In both cases the poor would be paying a higher percentage of their income in taxes than would the rich
They already do that by falling all over themselves to get to the closest Apple store so they can enrich an evil company that created 400,000 jobs in China.
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Old 10-16-2011, 03:54 AM
 
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They're are other federal taxes besides the income tax
That everyone pays....
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Old 10-16-2011, 04:52 AM
 
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Um... we're talking about FUNDING the federal government.

The 51% of income earners paying zero in federal income tax are NOT paying their fair share.
No YOU and the extremist right-wing are talking about defunding the federal government. Taxpayers don't want to defund the federal government.

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As long as 47% pay no income taxes, they will continue to vote for tax increases to on the 53% that do.
Many of that "47%" are senior retirees who worked all their lives and aid taxes but now earn so little that they no longer pay taxes.
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Old 10-16-2011, 06:29 AM
 
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"yet CONTRIBUTE to this country, and help pay the high earnings of the well off by buying their products and services."
As does everyone else, so I'm not buying that lame excuse.

The FACT of the matter is that our federal government incurs HUGE costs providing protections, benefits, and services, and 51% of income earners FAIL to pay for those costs via the federal income tax. They're NOT paying their fair share and they're freeloading off the 49% who DO pay.

What about their FAILURE to pay their fair share to fund the federal government do you not understand?
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Old 10-16-2011, 06:31 AM
 
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It has been shown that the 51% is based only on 2009 which as most of us know was an unusually bad year
Another lame excuse. The percentage of income earners paying NO federal income tax has been increasing for years. The leech class has been growing.
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Old 10-16-2011, 06:34 AM
 
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No YOU and the extremist right-wing are talking about defunding the federal government. Taxpayers don't want to defund the federal government.
Says who? I'm all for a MUCH smaller federal government. It's all the massive social welfare spending programs that have swelled it into a massively costly and HUGELY unsustainable behemoth.
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Many of that "47%" are senior retirees who worked all their lives and aid taxes but now earn so little that they no longer pay taxes.
That's whay a flat tax works so well. Earn very little; pay very little ...all the while continuing to benefit from federal government protections and services.
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