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Old 10-12-2011, 07:22 AM
 
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i've never heard anyone claim that 47% of Americans pay no federal tax.

/strawman
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Old 10-12-2011, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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The CBO. GIGO.

First they said Obamacare would come in on budget. Then they said it would cost over 2 trillion dollars and kill 800,000 jobs.

The CBO is just DC jerking our chain.
Logical fallacy.

Also called Petitio Principii, Circulus in Probando, arguing in a circle, assuming the answer.
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Old 10-12-2011, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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i've never heard anyone claim that 47% of Americans pay no federal tax.

/strawman

Logical fallacy.

Incorrectly assumes one thing is the cause of another. Non Sequitur.
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Old 10-12-2011, 07:27 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Why do some insist on muddying the waters?

What percentage of eligible Americans end up having no federal income tax liability?
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Old 10-12-2011, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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The key word here is "suggests" ~ Definition of SUGGEST

a : to seek to influence
b
: to call forth
c
: to mention or imply as a possibility
d
: to propose as desirable or fitting
e
: to offer for consideration or as a hypothesis


Now if we go on "facts"
Cherry picked Data.

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But once all federal taxes are considered investment taxes, payroll taxes and others the share drops sharply.
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Old 10-12-2011, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Oh no, a talking point bites the dust! No matter, another can, and will, be made up.
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Old 10-12-2011, 07:36 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Except it hasn't been refuted,some have attempted to muddy the waters or move the goalposts,but that doesn't change the fact that roughly 47% of HOUSEHOLDS have no federal income tax liability.
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Old 10-12-2011, 07:38 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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What percentage of Americans pays no federal taxes?



Note from the CBO:


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Interesting. 10%
That's a big difference.
People can be so dense. The entire 47% argument is a lie, a complete and unadulterated lie.
The truth is the majority of tax paid by working people is payroll taxes.
Those taxes are capped at $106K to protect the rich.
Let me show you how this scam works.
In the first place, they tell you payroll taxes are paid 50% by the employee and 50% by the employer.
Lies! 100% is paid by the employee! Wages are adjusted downward to compensate for payroll taxes.
When an employer figures what they can pay an employee, they figure total compensation. That means a set figure that they then subtract taxes and benefits from to arrive at the wage that the employee considers their pay.
If the employer did not have to pay payroll tax, they would be able to pay the employee more in their paycheck.
Now how much are payroll taxes? 6.2 for Social Security and 1.45 for Medicare, for a total of 7.65% multiplied by 2 is 15.3%!
That is without UI insurance, which can add between another 1 and 5%.
Now some will say that that money goes to the Social Security Trust Fund but that is another LIE. After paying current recipients, the rest goes straight into the general tax fund.
So in truth every worker is in at least the 16.3% tax bracket, with the exception of those making $106K+.
The upper middle class gets hosed again paying up to 35% in income tax.
Now don't even get me started on sales taxes.
So quit with the lies.
When it comes to working people there are two classes, the ones who get hosed, and the ones who get hosed even harder.
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Old 10-12-2011, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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What percentage of Americans pays no federal taxes?



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Interesting. 10%
That's a big difference.

Federal Income Tax paid comes from the box on your W-2. If you have credits or deductions that total more than that amount when you file your 1040 then you are paying ZERO.
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Old 10-12-2011, 07:39 AM
 
Location: NY
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Logical fallacy.

Also called Petitio Principii, Circulus in Probando, arguing in a circle, assuming the answer.
No dude. It's called DC lying to us. Put away your Latin phrase-book and notice how ticked off people are on the left and the right.
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