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Old 10-13-2011, 07:57 PM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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Turns out, it did plenty. Here's just a smattering. Read on.

New Deal accomplishments: Do conservatives who attack the New Deal actually know what America gained from it? - Slate Magazine

To conservatives: Government is not inherently evil. It can do some good.

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Old 10-13-2011, 08:00 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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My dad and I had a long discussion about that and the short term long term.

He was devastated to find out the truth, of what it eventually caused and the constitutionality of most of the deal.
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Old 10-13-2011, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Short term it provided a security net.
Long term though, it provided a dependent lifestyle..dependent on the government.
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Old 10-13-2011, 08:21 PM
 
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Short term it provided a security net.
Long term though, it provided a dependent lifestyle..dependent on the government.
Rural electrification, water for western development public buildings and art that remain public goods to this day is government dependence?

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Old 10-13-2011, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Rural electrification, water for western development public buildings and art that remain public goods to this day is government dependence?

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From the linked article..and I do believe it has lead to a dependence on the government to "fix things".

"The New Deal instilled in Americans an unshakable faith that their government stands ready to succor them in times of need. Put another way, the New Deal established the concept of economic security as a collective responsibility."
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Old 10-13-2011, 08:30 PM
 
Location: The bustling, world-renowned downtown of Pataskala, OH
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yeah, see articles like that make everything the government does appear like they did all positive without any reprucussions(why was nazism so bad?, we got an autobahn, the vw beetle,)what about the crash of 1920? if you even know about it at all it lasted about 7 seconds under the harding administration, as do all panics under predictable, free-market trusting administrations. panics under experimenters/progressives like hoover/fdr, carter, and obama always drag on far longer and worse than they need to.
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Old 10-13-2011, 08:32 PM
 
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From the linked article..and I do believe it has lead to a dependence on the government to "fix things".
In other words, it shifted government dependence down the common man because if you want to talk about government largess to business well there is a long, long, very long list of private sector dependence on government from the turn of the 19th century till today.

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The New Deal instilled in Americans an unshakable faith that their government stands ready to succor them in times of need.
I really don't know how to break this to you but social welfare programs in the U.S. didn't begin during the New Deal.
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Old 10-13-2011, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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In other words, it shifted government dependence down the common man because if you want to talk about government largess to business well there is a long, long, very long list of private sector dependence on government from the turn of the 19th century till today.



I really don't know how to break this to you but social welfare programs in the U.S. didn't begin during the New Deal.
It's not so cut and dry as you put it.
It's the change over decades that some notice.
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Old 10-13-2011, 08:44 PM
 
Location: NC
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Few comments from the readers on that article on that site are spot on:

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I admire much of what the New Deal accomplished and attempted to accomplish, but this lazy history misses the point. Over-reliance on government intervention is what has led to our current fiscal and economic problems. It is the economic equivalent of the 'vitamin syndrome'. If one vitamin is good, then ten vitamins must be ten times better. If one social program is good, it must be ten times better to spend ten times more money. Eventually, you run out of money (not to mention that the variable return on additional investment necessarily decreases as more resources are poared into ever-more-expensive social programs.

Social Security, while indeed having aspects of a Ponzi scheme, is at least relatively affordable, and is a program worth keeping. Medicare - with its inability to restrain costs - is what is killing the budget, and it won't leave any beautiful edifices, like highways, dams, or electrical grids, behind, simply a lot of expensive and unnecessary tests for a lot of geezers who will be buried soon in any case.

It's time to get real - much of the New Deal was worth keeping. That doesn't mean that ever-increasing and increasingly expensive social programs are worth supporting.
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Does anyone who dares compare our current situation with 1933 understand the chief difference between the two? For one, the US was quite able to self fund the New Deal because there was a huge surplus of capital and capacity and little to no public debt. There was no massive bureaucracy nor entrenched special interests to siphon off the bulk of the funds. No environmental impact studies that take a decade to get through. no Sierra Club lawsuits. Even with that said, the material impact of the New Deal did not do much to 'end' the depression. WWII is what put the nail in the Depression's coffin. Or I should say the massive domestically funded government spending with a populace forced to be net savers through rationing and patriotic bond purchases. This, combined with the fact that the US cities where left untouched while the majority of the rest of the industrialized world (i.e business competitors) were left flattened.
There's more. Just go and read there.
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