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Old 10-13-2011, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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He also said this,

''You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.''
Not to mention the immortal "A fanatic is one who cant change his mind, and wont change the subject".
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:13 PM
 
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The Myth of American Exceptionalism - By Stephen M. Walt | Foreign Policy


I've got to agree with a lot of those points. We have a terrible record of human rights violations, supporting human rights violators, and corruption of governments in the mid-East, Central, and South America.


And we have the nerve to lecture the world on freedom, democracy, and human rights?
This is nothing new, and this is why dumb Americans upset me. I'm in the military, and trust me when I say there's a lot of idiots out there that think America is the cool kid in high school or something.
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Blind nationalism is a dangerous thing.
That is so. But it is no worse than blind self-loathing.
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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After the war, Winston Churchill said that if he had read Mein Kampf before the war, he would have supported Hitler.
If you have a reference for this "Quote" then let's have it cause I'm calling it BS. Churchill hated the Nazis and everything they stood for. Unlike a lot of other political leaders of the time that saw some good things about Hitler and his programmes, Churchill was TOTALLY opposed to them right from the start. This opposition put Churchill in political oblivion for many years until other people began to wake up.

I must also add that FDR also knew the Nazis for what they were right from the get go unlike most of the American right wing of the time that wished they could import many of those ideas to the USA.
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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If you have a reference for this "Quote" then let's have it cause I'm calling it BS. Churchill hated the Nazis and everything they stood for. Unlike a lot of other political leaders of the time that saw some good things about Hitler and his programmes, Churchill was TOTALLY opposed to them right from the start. This opposition put Churchill in political oblivion for many years until other people began to wake up.

I must also add that FDR also knew the Nazis for what they were right from the get go unlike most of the American right wing of the time that wished they could import many of those ideas to the USA.
I cant find a source for that quote, hmmmmmmm.
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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The Myth of American Exceptionalism - By Stephen M. Walt | Foreign Policy


And we have the nerve to lecture the world on freedom, democracy, and human rights?
Only Americans believe such nonsense. Americans who couldn't find the continent of Europe on a world map.
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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I must also add that FDR also knew the Nazis for what they were right from the get go unlike most of the American right wing of the time that wished they could import many of those ideas to the USA.
1. FDR also sold Eastern Europe down the river at Yalta, consigning generations of East Germans, Czechs, Poles, Rumanians, Bulgarians, Albanians and Yugoslavs to virtual slavery, and the American left wing of the time thought that was okeydoke.

2. There were as many if not more "right-wing" than "left-wing" GIs who laid down their lives to defeat the Nazis and Imperial Japan.

If you're going to be forced to "add things", try to show a little intellectual honesty instead of wholesaling unsubstantiated half-truths...
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Old 10-13-2011, 11:41 PM
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Location: North Pacific
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The Myth of American Exceptionalism - By Stephen M. Walt | Foreign Policy


I've got to agree with a lot of those points. We have a terrible record of human rights violations, supporting human rights violators, and corruption of governments in the mid-East, Central, and South America.


And we have the nerve to lecture the world on freedom, democracy, and human rights?
Yes, while we continue to loose ours...right here at home.
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Old 10-14-2011, 04:48 AM
 
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He also said this,

''You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.''
I know! One of my favorites!
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Old 10-14-2011, 04:50 AM
 
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After the war, Winston Churchill said that if he had read Mein Kampf before the war, he would have supported Hitler.
Do you have a source to back this up?
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