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Old 10-14-2011, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Europe
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Originally Posted by whatyousay View Post
Obama passed out money like candy on Halloween with no strings attached. Is there any evidence to state that McCain would have also done the same with no strings attached? You cannot make that claim, sorry. I'm not saying he would have done things differently, but I'm not claiming that he would have done the same thing either.
He supported the bailouts. That is a fact. The rest is hypothetical. Is there any evidence he wouldn't have done it? No.
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Old 10-14-2011, 12:09 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Its not like politician do these things because they feel the corporations deserve them. They get all these benefits because they have supported their campaigns. It is a mutual relationship.
So... why in the world would anyone want to elect Wall Street's candidate - Obama?

The 99% Mob is a joke. Most of them VOTED FOR exactly what they got.
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Old 10-14-2011, 12:16 PM
 
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So... why in the world would anyone want to elect Wall Street's candidate - Obama?

The 99% Mob is a joke. Most of them VOTED FOR exactly what they got.
Ever thought that maybe people now realized that Obama is not better than the Republican candidates?
Americans are waking up and realizing that no matter who they vote for, they are screwed. Nothing is going to change if they vote for a Republican candidate instead of Obama next time.

Which candidate do you support?
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Old 10-14-2011, 12:17 PM
 
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Ever thought that maybe people now realized that Obama is not better than the Republican candidates?
Americans are waking up and realizing that no matter who they vote for, they are screwed. Nothing is going to change if they vote for a Republican candidate instead of Obama next time.

Which candidate do you support?
Ron Paul (R)
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Old 10-14-2011, 12:23 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Ever thought that maybe people now realized that Obama is not better than the Republican candidates?
Now realized?

There was full disclosure on campaign donations in 2008. How did people NOT know that Wall Street owned Obama via massive campaign donations?

Wall Street did NOT support McCain. THAT'S the difference.

Those of you who elected Obama got EXACTLY what you voted for. It's BLATANTLY hypocritical to feign outrage and protest it now.
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Old 10-14-2011, 12:25 PM
 
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Which candidate do you support?
This may change, but as of now I like Bill Still. He just announced...

Bill Still Announces Run for Libertarian Party Presidential Nomination | ThirdPartyPolitics.us
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Old 10-14-2011, 12:26 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Pamky, what you need to keep in mind is that this is a capitalist society and will not change from that willingly. The second thing is business will take any advantage they can get away with which cannot be readily controlled from the business end. Does this make them bad? No, just like a snake bites because it's a snake.
Now the one thing we can control is the pols being corrupt. If you deny big business access on the political end by making it illegal for pols to take from business then you've broken the chain. How 'bout campaign reform? It's been proposed a few times in the past and the Dems ran screaming from the room wanting nothing to do with it (as I'm sure some repubs did as well. God forbid the cash cows get dried up, some "commoner" might actually get elected.
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Old 10-14-2011, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Europe
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Now realized?

There was full disclosure on campaign donations in 2008. How did people NOT know that Wall Street owned Obama via massive campaign donations?

Wall Street did NOT support McCain. THAT'S the difference.

Those of you who elected Obama got EXACTLY what you voted for. It's BLATANTLY hypocritical to feign outrage and protest it now.
I didn't vote for anybody and how do you know who they voted for?
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Old 10-14-2011, 01:21 PM
 
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Pamky, what you need to keep in mind is that this is a capitalist society and will not change from that willingly. The second thing is business will take any advantage they can get away with which cannot be readily controlled from the business end. Does this make them bad? No, just like a snake bites because it's a snake.
Now the one thing we can control is the pols being corrupt. If you deny big business access on the political end by making it illegal for pols to take from business then you've broken the chain. How 'bout campaign reform? It's been proposed a few times in the past and the Dems ran screaming from the room wanting nothing to do with it (as I'm sure some repubs did as well. God forbid the cash cows get dried up, some "commoner" might actually get elected.
That would be a good start. I would also get rid of the two-party system. In the end people always vote for the lesser evil.
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Old 10-14-2011, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Ron Paul (R)
That's great, but in the end no one who is elected president will be allowed to keep the position unless he plays ball with corporate America, the currently existing drug laws, or the general military-industrial complex. And the reason why a Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich would never be elected president is because they do not have the corporate donors, nor do they have the media backing, to win. And if they did implausibly win, they would not be allowed to hold the position and end up like JFK.
Now how about we all wake up and support this movement, warts (and smelly hippies) and all, before we're all begging for minimum wage labor (which will likely be lowered, for the good of "job creation") from the plutocracy which runs our country.
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