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You realize that OWS isn't JUST about Wall Street, right? Political corruption is at the heart of most of our complaints too, which is why most occupy movements are not supporting candidates or parties, they are protesting a broken system. Wall Street and Washington have basically become one entity, and most of us have put 2 and 2 together long ago. They are occupying in DC too and making this argument regarding political corruption quite aggressively.
They aren't protesting the ones who make the rules, are they?
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Originally Posted by dunks_galore
By the way, you make it sound like these institutions are just following the rules, instead of using their economic power to change the rules in their favor.
They ARE following the rules AND using their economic power to influence legislation, but they aren't the ones who MAKE the rules, are they?
Here's the part you're missing--why exactly would Congress do that? Do you think it might have something to do with huge campaign contributions and payoffs from big business lobbyists? You're right--our elected leaders have been bought and sold. That's why people are protesting big business--they're the ones doing the buying, and working to have the rules changed in their favor to begin with. If they can't buy laws anymore--if we put campaign finance laws back in place and we put some common sense regs in that hold the financial industry accountable, the problem goes away.
Right now, Congress has no reason to end the payoffs. Nothing is going to change until the American public makes such a huge stink that it out weighs any money they might receive, and they believe they're in real danger of losing their jobs if they don't make changes fast. That's the point of OWS.
Nope, that point was not lost on me. It's lost on the protesters who are protesting the corporations, banks, and Wall Street for simply 'playing the game'. Do you really expect them to stop lobbying congress for preferential treatment out of the goodness of their hearts? No. The only ones that can put a stop to it is congress by passing campaign finance legislation and ending crony capitalism. Obama and congress have no incentive to do that though since nobody is holding THEIR feet to the fire. The anger is misdirected.
If you truly believe in communism and socialism then why would you use laptops and cellphones?
I see so many of these violent anarchists use the products of capitalism that it is hard to take them seriously.
1. These products are manufactured in a country called the People's Republic of China which is ruled by one party and one party only called the COMMUNIST PARTY OF CHINA.
Do you own/use a TV, DVR, computer, cell phone? These products are manufactured by communists. You are posting here on C-D, aren't you? That means you are buying and using products made by a communist country. Does that make you a communist?
Don't you find it a bit odd that capitalists and communists are doing so much business together?
At the end of the day, all of these "isms" (communism, socialism, fascism, capitalism, globalism) don't mean squat. These labels are just tools to keep the people divided, distracted, manipulated and controlled while the very few who run the world rip everybody off. It is the oldest trick in the book.
A lot of these countries are cradles of terrorism against the US. They promote, support and finance terrorist activities worldwide. Don't you feel like you are supporting terrorism (there's another "ism" for ya) every time you fill up the gas tank?
3. A lot of the people of OWS want to be part of the system, but they're running into a brick wall. If they had jobs and opportunities, they'd be the biggest supporters of "capitalism" and the most rabid Republicans.
I find it ironic or maybe the media has chosen to overlook it, but neither side has mentioned the continued use of H1B visas. Maybe the OWS have ADD issues and they can't focus. That's right, everybody's pointing the finger at illiterate illegal immigrants (again, keeping people distracted and controlled), but nobody is saying a word about the legal importation of workers from India, China, etc. Our unemployment is what, > 9%? Are H1B visas really necessary? Why haven't the Republicans AND Democrats stopped this? Answer: They're all beholden to Wall Street.
So, I kindly suggest you turn off the TV and the radio and read and THINK before you waste anymore bandwidth with silly posts.
Then again, you'll probably continue to carry water for people who are bent on obliterating the hopes and aspirations of the majority of the people in this country.
For a lot of folks, denial is the only way to deal with the pain of recognizing and admitting that they're being played.
The OP clearly doesn't understand the words communism, socialism, anarchism, or even liberal.
Apparently if it isn't capitalism, it's any word from the above list of bad words.
Does the OP know that Soviet Russia had telephones, cars, computers, rockets, buses, trains, toasters, ovens, refrigerators, electricity...?
Socialism has always been for the very average. So, yes, they're for the average "worker" but to get there they had to kill anyone that wasn't in the median or at least get rid of them. They couldn't have anyone questioning their power. Why do you think gulags were created? The same goes with the concentration camps from the Nazis since they were socialist too.
Making money is GREAT. It's the American dream. I don't begrudge anyone becoming rich. It only becomes a problem when the people with the most money buy our elections and then work to have laws changed in their favor so it hurts the rest of us.
From what I've read about the protests, I don't think there's any more love for the D's than there is for the R's. Both parties are a problem when it comes to cronyism. I'm a moderate R, but I'm going to vote for whoever works the hardest to make changes in our campaign finance laws and who works the hardest to hold our financial industry accountable. I think the D's are trying to step in and claim ownership of this, but unless they put their money (and votes) where their mouth is, I don't know too many people who'll buy it.
The part you forgot about on the R's are the PACS--American's for Prosperity and the Karl Rove entities were huge in the last election on the R side. Obama takes his share of big money too, but he's not alone. As far as primary money this time around--the PACS won't step in until the general.
I hope these issues become the biggest focus of 2012--until we start getting some accountability out of government, I don't think anything is going to change.
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That's right, everybody's pointing the finger at illiterate illegal immigrants (again, keeping people distracted and controlled), but nobody is saying a word about the legal importation of workers from India, China, etc. Our unemployment is what, > 9%? Are H1B visas really necessary? Why haven't the Republicans AND Democrats stopped this? Answer: They're all beholden to Wall Street.
