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Actually, I think it was pretty brilliant to go after big business with the message, because if they'd just gone after government, it would have turned into a huge partisan fight, people would have started picking sides based on party, and both parties would have started circling the wagons and pointing fingers. That's what we have now on every other issue, and it's not working.
Both the Rs and Ds are to blame for this mess, and it shouldn't be partisan. As long as the outrage is focused on wall street, etc., the average person understands it, and they can go after both parties to introduce legislation (or a constitutional amendment) to get big money out of our elections, and to cut off lobbyists. Strategically, it leaves room for politicians in BOTH parties to step up to the plate and make changes if the American people are demanding it. If this becomes the campaign issue of 2012 on both sides, you can bet there will be changes. Politicians like corporate money, but they like the power that comes from keeping their jobs more.
Well, we will have to agree to disagree on this. Congress is the only one who can make the changes and if we don't hold them directly accountable, change will not happen. There is no need to demonize business for doing what it does when the rules allow them to do so. There is no need to make it into a partisan issue. Politicians, if confronted with the angry public, will run on campaign finance reform if they want to get elected. Right now, the heat isn't on them at all. It's one big deflection, and they are getting off scott free.
There is a vacuum of knowledge amongst many of today's conservatives that is being filled by revisionists like Glenn Beck, Jonah Goldberg and Pat Buchanan.
It is sad how the Dumbing Down of America is reflected by these people, and posts like this one.
There certainly are some really dumb people on this forum...
Feel free to disprove anything I've stated. I have the entire history of the world on my side.
You have nothing on your side, in fact, you don't even have a clue.
National Socialism does not equal Socialism, which in turn does not equal the Nazi Party. The Nazi Party was an extreme rightwing political entity that eroded an entire country of their basic liberties, their freedom of expression, and any public display other than slavish devotion to the regime would result in ones arrest, detention, and possibly even their execution.
The DPRK stands for the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea, better known as North Korea.
Does your history also tell you that North Korea is a democracy?
Well, we will have to agree to disagree on this. Congress is the only one who can make the changes and if we don't hold them directly accountable, change will not happen. There is no need to demonize business for doing what it does when the rules allow them to do so. There is no need to make it into a partisan issue. Politicians, if confronted with the angry public, will run on campaign finance reform if they want to get elected. Right now, the heat isn't on them at all. It's one big deflection, and they are getting off scott free.
That's exactly what I'm saying. If it starts out as an attack on government or a specific party, the first thing people do is move into cover their backside mode for their own party. If it's an outside enemy (not business or capitalism--just the few who are able to buy elections and control the government) then people can come back with a solution (campaign finance reform, common sense financial regs) to BOTH parties, and hold them accountable for letting the "bad guys" get away with it. People won't unite around finger pointing, but they will against a common enemy. Focusing on a third party--mega business--vs. either the D's or R's does that. These protests are still in their early stages--I'll bet you anything that as they develop more of a sense of structure and leadership, that's the direction this thing will head.
At Freedom Plaza in DC last week, there was a guy sitting on the ratty couch they have set up there,
playing video games on the TV monitor they have hooked up.
Oh, dear is right. What do you propose? Should the corporations lobby for campaign finance reform and against crony capitalism so that they can repair the broken system? LMFAO! Are you going to tell a drug addict to destroy the free drugs sitting on the table and actually expect them to do that? Or should we take those free drugs off the table, eh? Gullible, simple minds... L.O.F.L.
Nothing is going to change until the voters stop carrying water for either political party.
You have to start at the local level, town by town. You have to eliminate the "winner takes all" rules. Eliminate gerrymandered districts. Eliminate the notion that corporations are people. Candidates should only be allowed to accept a certain amount of money from individuals who reside in their city and/or state. That's it. No corporate donations, no PAC's, etc. Start at the bottom and move up.
Sadly, none of that is going to happen because too many voters have the attention span of gnats.
This entire movement is rather reminicient of the 60's when hippies all over the country were railing against the war, the government, the "establishment." Many were students who saw no conflict in accepting daddy's money (earned in one of those establishment compies being protested) to support themselves while protestings (and continuing to go to school).
This "movement" is nothing more than class warfare being endorsed by those who think the people in this country who actually have jobs should be supporting those who don't. The White House loves it because it is a major distraction from the damage being done by and within the current crop of Washington liberal.
National Socialism does not equal Socialism, which in turn does not equal the Nazi Party.
Socialism is a political or economic system that could be either left or right...
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Definition of SOCIALISM
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private propertyb: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
Notice it doesn't say leftards have a monopoly on socialism....
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Originally Posted by odanny
The Nazi Party was an extreme rightwing political entity that eroded an entire country of their basic liberties, their freedom of expression, and any public display other than slavish devotion to the regime would result in ones arrest, detention, and possibly even their execution.
You really need to redo a 6th grade civics class.
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Nazis are extreme right-wing. They call themselves Rechte which means right-wing. 
