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Old 10-17-2011, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Land of Thought and Flow
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Can you elaborate who conditions don't naturally exist? Because it seem to me that you are saying that someone in poverty has never made it to CEO before which I know isn't true... so I have to wonder what conditions don't naturally exist?
Perhaps you missed it, but I believe I already elaborated on the conditions that don't naturally exist in the real world. What you are pulling from my statement is nothing but a nonsensical strawman. There is not even one iota about impoverished persons never making it to CEO.

But, alas, I'll make it easier for you:

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In Monopoly, everyone starts off with the same amount of money.
Now, in case that statement is too difficult to understand, I'll explain it further.

In Monopoly, the official rules state that everyone starts out with exactly $1500. In the real world, people do not start out with the exact same amount of money.

Another condition of Monopoly that does not exist in the real world is the concept of being able to purchase the most expensive property "in the world" by only using 26.67% of the money you start off with. ((In Monopoly, the most expensive property is Boardwalk at $400 - which is 26.67% of the $1500 you start off with))

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In Life, everyone has equal odds at getting the highest paying job - no matter their educational background, skillset, or business connections.
Now, I realize that understanding the intent of this statement may prove difficult - but let's look at it from the appropriate angle.

In the game, there are jobs that pay poorly and jobs that pay very nicely. There are absolutely no requisites for any of the "jobs". This does not exist in the real world - outside of industries like retail and fast food where anyone with a pulse can be considered. In the real world, the concepts of education, skillsets, and networking (who you know) are heavy factors between getting a job as a burger flipper and a job as an engineer. The game makes no distinctions.

Neither of these statements do not say that we do not have equal chance at becoming CEO. They do, however, point out that it is meaningless to base our real life chances based upon the statistical luck of a board game.
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Old 10-17-2011, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Only a neo-con would think that board games simulate real life.
Only a progressive liberal would think that a board game "can't" emulate life (at least in some ways). Are progressives allergic to winning and losing? Is winning that bad of a concept to them? Last time I checked the beauty of humanity is the diversity. According to progressives, it's seems that since some people don't possess the ability to compete, then there shouldn't be any competition.

Competition is stimulating and builds character. If there's no competition, then there's no character... oh makes perfect sense now.

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In Monopoly, the official rules state that everyone starts out with exactly $1500. In the real world, people do not start out with the exact same amount of money.
Funny, most millionaires started with nothing. Amazon was started with 1 dollar. FedExpress was started with a trip to Vegas. Sergey Brin started Google on a shoestring. The starting point may be different but the results will always be the same.

If you give a $million to someone with no motivation to build and compete the $million is as good as lost.

What I'm saying is that the variable is the person, not the amount of money they start with.
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Old 10-17-2011, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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I play Dungeons and Dragons.
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Old 10-17-2011, 03:36 PM
 
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If so, do you keep score?

Do you understand the game?

Are there winners?
I have played both yes. I understand them enough to know that there is no score and yes there is a winner. Is there a point to this
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Old 10-17-2011, 03:38 PM
 
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Truly, I think extreme conservatives are more suited to the Mad Magazine game.

The Mad Magazine Game | Board Game | BoardGameGeek


...but extreme liberals are also more suited for Trivial Pursuit.


In the end, the folks in the first game just know how to lose money, and make it look like they're doing well with credit scams, while in the second game, the know it all liberals never actually win anything beyond proving they know more meaningless, unproductive BS than the person next to them.

Meanwhile? Us folks in the middle? We have to go to work every morning and pay taxes so these goofs can play games all day.
Hey now, I'm a moderate who knows tons of useless facts and usually wins at Trivial Pursuit to the point of annoying all my friends and family with sports statistics and historical tidbits. Also I'm pretty good at the Star Wars Trivial Pursuit edition--where even if you know enough rare facts about Star Wars to win the game, you're still a loser...
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Old 10-17-2011, 03:39 PM
 
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They probably start the game by doling ALL the money and properties out fairly and just call it game over.
Actually that's very close to how the game is started. At the beginning everybody is given the same thing to start off with. Monopoly also has a property tax and an income tax
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Old 10-17-2011, 03:40 PM
 
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Monopoly is a primitive game, I remember playing that a couple of times as a teenager. It is so primitive that it is irrelevant if the player is a communist or a capitalist...

One thing is interesting about it, though. Thanks to the dice luck is key, not so much merit
When you accept a job, aren't you "rolling the dice"?

When you buy a house, aren't you "rolling the dice"?

When you marry, aren't you "rolling the dice"?

When you buy a car, aren't you "rolling the dice"?

Whatever you do in life, you're "rolling the dice". Sometimes they roll in your favor, sometimes they don't.

Especially in business.
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Old 10-17-2011, 03:40 PM
 
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Are you saying that in real life there aren't winners and losers?
Would those "losers" by any chance happen to be the working people?
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Old 10-17-2011, 03:41 PM
 
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This question obviously doesn't apply to the real world. I don't base my political views off of some absurd fantasy world... some kind of surreal utopia where people still play board games. In the real world, liberals play tennis, progressives also play tennis, although maybe they change the name of tennis to make it sound creepier, and socialists play bongo drums.
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Old 10-17-2011, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Actually that's very close to how the game is started. At the beginning everybody is given the same thing to start off with. Monopoly also has a property tax and an income tax
The biggest difference is that in real life the bankers print as much money as they want, and get out of jail free cards are widely dispersed amongst themselves.

I wonder if Milton Bradley will be adding "bail out " and "QE" cards. Also the ability to pay off politicians and hire lobbyists would be nice.
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