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Old 10-17-2011, 04:31 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Politicians are slow and not especially bright, but when their meal ticket is on the line they do eventually, after exhausting all other options, realize what the people want.
The people are beginning to realize the problem with the economy, is the corruption that is prevalent in every aspect of the government / corporate relationship.
The entire system reeks of corruption from the President and Supreme Court, down to the local School Boards.
The question is who will be the first to realize "It's about the corruption stupid".
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Old 10-17-2011, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Politicians are slow and not especially bright, but when their meal ticket is on the line they do eventually, after exhausting all other options, realize what the people want.
The people are beginning to realize the problem with the economy, is the corruption that is prevalent in every aspect of the government / corporate relationship.
The entire system reeks of corruption from the President and Supreme Court, down to the local School Boards.
The question is who will be the first to realize "It's about the corruption stupid".
That about sums it up.
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Old 10-17-2011, 04:42 PM
 
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Politicians are slow and not especially bright, but when their meal ticket is on the line they do eventually, after exhausting all other options, realize what the people want.
The people are beginning to realize the problem with the economy, is the corruption that is prevalent in every aspect of the government / corporate relationship.
The entire system reeks of corruption from the President and Supreme Court, down to the local School Boards.
The question is who will be the first to realize "It's about the corruption stupid".
The thing I find really ironic Jim, is those that are against communism but at the same time support the current relationship that the Big Wall Street Banks and Big Corporations have with our government.


When the corporations were not so big, they were just another business having to deal in the free markets within their perspective industries like the thousands of other business in this country.

As they grew, they took on larger and larger chunks of the market via buyouts and expansion, taking over many small business along the way.

Then, when they had so much more money and power, they saddled up with the government by either buying politicians, or becoming a politician outright and tailoring laws to help your companies that own a large chunk of the market.

In Communism, the state owns everything, and they control the markets to help themselves while everyone else is poor. This is what were seeing now, where the state, wall street banks, and big corps have merged into one.

So, it confuses me to see people against communism, and yet have no problem with the current relationship these banks and corporations have with our government

That is not Free Market Capitalism.
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Old 10-17-2011, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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The people are beginning to realize the problem with the economy, is the corruption that is prevalent in every aspect of the government / corporate relationship.
Nah!

When people can't find jobs, they find excuses. First, government corruption; then corporate crime; possibly, schooling inadequacy; ultimately, it'll be found with themselves.
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Old 10-17-2011, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Nah!

When people can't find jobs, they find excuses. First, government corruption; then corporate crime; possibly, schooling inadequacy; ultimately, it'll be found with themselves.

It's not only about the jobs, though there are fewer for the people than there were before. It's about the wages those jobs produce; much of the time not enough for safe shelter. The power to own a safe place to live and nutritious food to eat has been taken from people worldwide. The rich will one day barricade themselves from the increasing poverty surrounding them, closing themselves off from the rest of the world, after having stolen all the land and resources and taking with them the product of those lands and resources. Actually, that has already happened.

(in my most humble opinion, overpopulation is also a problem, at least if you want habitable land and a worldwide middle class)

"The Revolt of the Elites and the Betrayal of Democracy. Amazon.com: The Revolt of the Elites and the Betrayal of Democracy (9780393313710): Christopher Lasch: Books.
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Old 10-17-2011, 05:22 PM
 
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It's not only about the jobs, though there are fewer for the people than there were before. It's about the wages those jobs produce; much of the time not enough for safe shelter. The power to own a safe place to live and nutritious food to eat has been taken from people worldwide. The rich will one day barricade themselves from the increasing poverty surrounding them, closing themselves off from the rest of the world, after having stolen all the land and resources and taking with them the product of those lands and resources. Actually, that has already happened.

(in my most humble opinion, overpopulation is also a problem, at least if you want habitable land and a worldwide middle class)

"The Revolt of the Elites and the Betrayal of Democracy. Amazon.com: The Revolt of the Elites and the Betrayal of Democracy (9780393313710): Christopher Lasch: Books.
Over the years governments have come and gone. One common thread through the years is how evolved governments became in order to create sophisticated bureaucracies to control the elite from doing exactly what is happening today. Control the concentration of power, land and money, its been going on for thousands of years. Another words if laws do not deter, but instead, allow the elites in society to take advantage of the people as a whole they will, and they always have.
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Old 10-17-2011, 05:24 PM
 
Location: South Dakota
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The thing I find really ironic Jim, is those that are against communism but at the same time support the current relationship that the Big Wall Street Banks and Big Corporations have with our government.


When the corporations were not so big, they were just another business having to deal in the free markets within their perspective industries like the thousands of other business in this country.

As they grew, they took on larger and larger chunks of the market via buyouts and expansion, taking over many small business along the way.

Then, when they had so much more money and power, they saddled up with the government by either buying politicians, or becoming a politician outright and tailoring laws to help your companies that own a large chunk of the market.

In Communism, the state owns everything, and they control the markets to help themselves while everyone else is poor. This is what were seeing now, where the state, wall street banks, and big corps have merged into one.

So, it confuses me to see people against communism, and yet have no problem with the current relationship these banks and corporations have with our government

That is not Free Market Capitalism.
End the FED, bring back sound $$$, dismantle the police state, dismantle the nanny state, eliminate all government subsidies, get rid of all the Czars, get a real AG and start prosecuting criminals like Dodd and Frank, Holder, 0bama ect., end the wars, cut down the size of government 50%, get out of the UN and IMF, repeal the 16th and 17th amendments...

Or we could ***** and whine and beg for the death of the dollar and bring in the NWO third world commie utopia...
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Old 10-17-2011, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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End the FED, bring back sound $$$, dismantle the police state, dismantle the nanny state, eliminate all government subsidies, get rid of all the Czars, get a real AG and start prosecuting criminals like Dodd and Frank, Holder, 0bama ect., end the wars, cut down the size of government 50%, get out of the UN and IMF, repeal the 16th and 17th amendments...

Or we could ***** and whine and beg for the death of the dollar and bring in the NWO third world commie utopia...
Bring back the horse and buggy. Bring back the robber barons. Bring back sweat shops and get rid of those pesky child labor laws.

Really end the wars,get rid of subsidies, bring back Glass- spegal, stop the nonsence the states are doing and make real voteing reg., see there you go there are things people can agree too
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Old 10-17-2011, 05:38 PM
 
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End the FED, bring back sound $$$, dismantle the police state, dismantle the nanny state, eliminate all government subsidies, get rid of all the Czars, get a real AG and start prosecuting criminals like Dodd and Frank, Holder, 0bama ect., end the wars, cut down the size of government 50%, get out of the UN and IMF, repeal the 16th and 17th amendments...

Or we could ***** and whine and beg for the death of the dollar and bring in the NWO third world commie utopia...
Sounds like a winner to me!
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Old 10-17-2011, 05:44 PM
 
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Bring back the horse and buggy. Bring back the robber barons. Bring back sweat shops and get rid of those pesky child labor laws.

Really end the wars,get rid of subsidies, bring back Glass- spegal, stop the nonsence the states are doing and make real voteing reg., see there you go there are things people can agree too
I agree with the bottom of your post, but on top point:

If we deported all illegal immigrants, put tariffs on foreign goods, (it would not work if we were export heavy as in WW2) ended the H1B Visa's, and some other things, we could "adjust" the free market to benefit the workers of the country. (Supply and Demand)

As it is now, it is the Government in collusion with / Wall Street / and Big Corporations that have tailored the free market to benefit them, and Obama is continuing down the same path (Mexican Truckers) since he is owned by them.

I think many supporting the status quo, secretly support many of Obama's policies, because it is more of the same all admins have been doing. They use "communist" and spreading the wealth talking points to divide and conquer when Obama is anything but, unless it is to his banker butt buddies.
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