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Old 10-18-2011, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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Ooh, sounds like the unions are directing the OWS-Chicago protesters now and trying to co-opt and organize them.
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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Ooh, sounds like the unions are directing the OWS-Chicago protesters now and trying to co-opt and organize them.
Good! We need strong unions in this country -- they protect American workers from the greedy corporate fascists. Finally, the unions are doing something to support the rights of poor and middle-class Americans. The union movement used to be about political reform, and it needs to return to that role.
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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"Forgive student debt" seems to be a recurring demand.
We're over $1 trillion in student debt right now.

Heck we should ALL go to college and then on to graduate school "for free".
Yes, we should. That's how it is in many other developed countries, such as the Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, and Denmark. Cut the military budget and raise income taxes to pay for it.
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:26 AM
 
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Good! We need strong unions in this country -- they protect American workers from the greedy corporate fascists. Finally, the unions are doing something to support the rights of poor and middle-class Americans. The union movement used to be about political reform, and it needs to return to that role.
Except that the union bosses ARE the greedy corporate fascists you speak of. Unions are a drain on society and hurt workers by forcing dues, etc. Unions need to go by the wayside and die off already.
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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Yeah, promote more irresponsible behavior by college students. Stupid idea. More lib arts grads smoking weed for 4 years and complaining about esoteric jobs paying 25k..
Do you have any idea what lib arts grads do once they get their degrees? Many go on to graduate school and enter academe, teaching students and performing research to improves lives. Some go into the nonprofit sector. Some become entrepreneurs and start their own businesses. Others end up working for the government.

Just because most of them don't end up feeding the corporate machine doesn't mean they don't contribute to society.

Turn off Glenn Beck and think for yourself.
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Good! We need strong unions in this country -- they protect American workers from the greedy corporate fascists. Finally, the unions are doing something to support the rights of poor and middle-class Americans. The union movement used to be about political reform, and it needs to return to that role.
I think getting Unions back to focusing on worker rights and safe working conditions is what needs to happen. Too much time getting rich and trying to influence the political process is wasting union dues. Protecting workers jobs in obsolete jobs, or paying those doing less demanding jobs the same as high skill jobs is what is killing them.
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:30 AM
 
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Except that the union bosses ARE the greedy corporate fascists you speak of. Unions are a drain on society and hurt workers by forcing dues, etc. Unions need to go by the wayside and die off already.
Without unions, America would return to a feudalistic society made up of peasant wage slaves and their fabulously wealthy corporate masters. It would be like a modern dystopian version of 14th-century England. No thanks.

I am 100% pro-union. I think all non-farm employees should be part of a union. Unions work for the good of the people, corporate executives work for the good of their wallets.
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Do you have any idea what lib arts grads do once they get their degrees? Many go on to graduate school and enter academe, teaching students and performing research to improves lives. Some go into the nonprofit sector. Some become entrepreneurs and start their own businesses. Others end up working for the government.

Just because most of them don't end up feeding the corporate machine doesn't mean they don't contribute to society.

Turn off Glenn Beck and think for yourself.
Sure they contribute, but should they run up 100k in bills while learning their skill? Then complain that they should get a refund? No. Common sense would dictate you don't go deep in debt if you only expect an average salary. Entitlement thinking is immature and irresponsible.
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:35 AM
 
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I think getting Unions back to focusing on worker rights and safe working conditions is what needs to happen. Too much time getting rich and trying to influence the political process is wasting union dues.
I agree that union bosses shouldn't get rich. However, unions must influence the political process. Corporations have done so for years, and look where it's gotten us. Unions need to become a strong, united political force that works to support policies that help the people.

In the past, politically active unions have brought us:

1) The eight-hour workday
2) Child labor bans
3) Universal K-12 education
4) Anti-workplace discrimination laws

Just to name a few.

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Protecting workers jobs in obsolete jobs, or paying those doing less demanding jobs the same as high skill jobs is what is killing them.
I am not a capitalist. I don't believe that efficiency should be the goal, I think that equity should be the goal. Everyone has the right to a job. We need to keep workers in obsolete jobs to keep them employed. It is better for society when everyone is employed.
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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Sure they contribute, but should they run up 100k in bills while learning their skill? Then complain that they should get a refund? No. Common sense would dictate you don't go deep in debt if you only expect an average salary. Entitlement thinking is immature and irresponsible.
I support 100% taxpayer-subsidized free college education through the master's degree level (most Ph.D. students are funded by their universities). Full stop.
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