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Old 10-17-2011, 11:38 PM
 
Location: NC
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1. With video editing, anything's possible.
2. So I was off by two years. Big difference
2. Many conservatives--and I think you too-- have said that America is a centre right country, so clearly we're not doing our job brainwashing our kids.

And Marx did complain about class inequality, but he basically wanted a classless society where private property would be abolished and capitalism would be completely overthrown. If any of the OWS are advocating that, I believe they're in a clear minority as are, like, 98% of liberals (estimate)

Most people--even liberals--understand that you can't have a truly classless society, but there is a point where there's TOO MUCH inequality between classes, which harms a country's standard of living and development.

I'd like to know why you're incapable of distinguishing between people who are "centre left", "far left", "Socialist" and "communist". To distinguish between such nuances is the mark of an intelligent, thinking individual.
According to the OP anyone who does not want to take America back into the 1890s is a Socialist, or Marxist.
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Old 10-18-2011, 05:49 AM
 
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You know... like I for one... you know... will go... you know... to the bank... you know and take out you know... my money and buy... you know more houses to rent to... you know....and get rich so these underlings can take my... you know...wealth away from me that...you know...I EARNED....YOU KNOW.
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Old 10-18-2011, 06:05 AM
 
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Labor creates wealth? Who provides the money for the machines that labor uses to create wealth? They want to run things and one of those women said that labor should control everything and she doesn't understand that someone has to provide the money for them to use to create all that wealth. These people have either been stacked on in college or in high school and continued to allow it to happen. Nobody can be a useful idiot without allowing someone else to pile that all over them.
Who provides the labor so the products can be made?
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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The fact that the Occupy Movement is breaking out all over the panet and has the Corporate Minions quaking in their boots is great news for Democracy. You are watching History, don't get trampled by it.
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:54 AM
 
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Socialist/Communist "mob" invades Oakland...well, I'd call them a mini-mob.

Just listen to these people...this is what our liberal education system has birthed.

A truly chilling commentary of the thoughts and views obama and the democrats are promoting.

Do they really want to be tied at the hip with this bunch?


The socialist OWS mob invades Oakland, California. - YouTube
"what do you do with the people who don't want to change or don't agree with you?"

"kill 'em!"

but he was kidding! sure he was! pretty much sums up socialists. it's quite funny that they talk about the needs of the poor and that they're the benevolent ones. as long as you agree with them. the 20th century is littered with the bodies of over 100 million people who did not agree!

i'd much rather live in a world where some unlucky people die of starvation than a world where hundreds of millions are slaughtered to pursue an ideology!

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Old 10-18-2011, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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They were very direct in their misguided, pseudo-intellectual attempts at expressing their desire for ridding the country of capitalism and redistributing the wealth of any body making over 200,000/yr, taking control of the nasty, bourgoise, capitalist hot dog stand owner's business and taxing at a rate of 75%, the greedy neurosurgeon making $500,000/yr.
I don't see a problem with any of this. In fact, I fully support it; and yes, I am a socialist, I make no bones about it. However, I am not a communist -- a strong, centralized government with absolute power will always become corrupt. I support the more moderate democratic socialism, which is actually a center-left philosophy popular in Canada and Europe. Democratic socialists seek political reforms through people-centered, democratic processes like multi-party elections and referendums, not a centralized one-party state.
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Old 10-18-2011, 08:00 AM
 
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3. The "liberal" education system has actually given us 22 years of Republican presidents and 13 years of Republican congresses in the past thirty years, so I call BS on that one.

who pursue the progressive agenda. making the world safe for democracy, medicare, medicaid, social security, depts of education, energy, homeland security, agriculture. no child left behind, part d, these are all foreign to the conservative point of view yet republicans promote all this garbage. why? because people have been educated to buy into keynesian economics and the wonders of state intervention
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Old 10-18-2011, 08:39 AM
 
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I don't see a problem with any of this. In fact, I fully support it; and yes, I am a socialist, I make no bones about it. However, I am not a communist -- a strong, centralized government with absolute power will always become corrupt. I support the more moderate democratic socialism, which is actually a center-left philosophy popular in Canada and Europe. Democratic socialists seek political reforms through people-centered, democratic processes like multi-party elections and referendums, not a centralized one-party state.

you don't even understand socialism or communism. socialism is the state ownership of the means of production and a step on the path to the marxist ideal aka communism which is where the state disappears. the soviet union was a SOCIALIST state, not a communist one!

it could be argued that gorbachev flirted with communism by trying to promote "socialism with a human face"! this meant that he removed fear out of the system. with fear removed from the system, people just stopped producing and the whole system collapsed.

tell me something, if you remove incentives from the system, why would anyone work hard to produce the goods and services we need and want? do you think people will just produce, or as practiced in all socialist countries, the govt would force you to produce?
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Old 10-18-2011, 09:00 AM
 
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"what do you do with the people who don't want to change or don't agree with you?"

"kill 'em!"

but he was kidding! sure he was! pretty much sums up socialists. it's quite funny that they talk about the needs of the poor and that they're the benevolent ones. as long as you agree with them. the 20th century is littered with the bodies of over 100 million people who did not agree!

i'd much rather live in a world where some unlucky people die of starvation than a world where hundreds of millions are slaughtered to pursue an ideology!
Just where did this chick get people are rich at........... $250,000.00. Nice she believes people need to be below that. What are the colleges teaching...........this video shows the stupid side of the left.
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Old 10-18-2011, 09:06 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Empire state building lights up red and yellow to clebrate 60th anniversary of communist china.

The empire state building is the real tall building in the middle of NYC that was located, last we knew, in the USA.

The president of the USA hires a communist to be his green job czar.

The president hires Dorn, Ayers wife as an advisor....both documented terrorists involved with bombings in the name of ? socialism, communism, take your pick.

GM shareholders lose their legal standing in favor of the unions by order of the feds

Union head Jimmy Hoffa threatens political opponents with death as the US president steps up to the very same podium and says nothing to mitigate Hoffa's threats.

See a pattern here?
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