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Old 10-17-2011, 08:31 PM
 
Location: The bustling, world-renowned downtown of Pataskala, OH
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It seems to me this topic is discussed far too little. It has essentially ensured lifetime appointments for the vast majority of representatives who seek to do so. That's why they have such dismal approval #'s yet 90-95% of them get re-elected. I know some people want term limits but indiscriminantly squaring off districts would be better(both would be best).It would also cut out moonbats who would have no chance winning in generic cross-sections of an area.
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Old 10-17-2011, 08:47 PM
 
Location: NC
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That is why I like the independent commission system for redistricting. Iowa has drawn their districts this way for some time and they have some of the most competative races. Arizona and California are also moving to this system and it looks like the number of swing districts in both will increase greatly. It seems that every year more and more states go that route so it is ultimately heading in the right direction.
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Old 10-17-2011, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Allen West's district is quite interesting looking.

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Old 10-17-2011, 09:01 PM
 
Location: NC
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Don't forget the famous "earmuff district."






Thus why I like non partisan committees. They get you logical districts like these ones in the link below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa&#3...onal_districts
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Old 10-17-2011, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Don't forget the famous "earmuff district."






Thus why I like non partisan committees. They get you logical districts like these ones in the link below.

Iowa's congressional districts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The earmuff district wasn't a partisan gerrymander as much as VRA. FL-22 is probably the most partisan gerrymandered district.
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Old 10-17-2011, 09:14 PM
 
Location: NC
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The earmuff district wasn't a partisan gerrymander as much as VRA. FL-22 is probably the most partisan gerrymandered district.
I don't know. It seems to go way above and beyond the VRA % of minority to in essence be packing and perhaps reduces the number of minority candidates of choice (not that that matters politically since it is heavily democratic in the midst of other heavily democratic districts). Not to mention Illinois doesn't have a high level of VRA scrutiny like other states do. Either way it is one of the most gerrymandered districts in the country.
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Old 10-17-2011, 09:25 PM
 
Location: South Dakota
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We have the Mobs finest running Illinois, Im wondering when our new Governor is going to prison???
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Old 10-17-2011, 09:27 PM
 
Location: The bustling, world-renowned downtown of Pataskala, OH
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Sweetest Jobs on Earth: working on the redistricting commissions of either Wyoming, Alaska, North/South Dakota, Montana, Vermont, or Delaware.
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Old 10-17-2011, 09:33 PM
 
Location: OKC
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The move to redistrict all seat into safe areas predictably led to increased animosity and partisanship in congress. Everyone has only their base in their district now, and they don't need to worry about getting crossover voters.
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Old 10-17-2011, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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I don't know. It seems to go way above and beyond the VRA % of minority to in essence be packing and perhaps reduces the number of minority candidates of choice (not that that matters politically since it is heavily democratic in the midst of other heavily democratic districts). Not to mention Illinois doesn't have a high level of VRA scrutiny like other states do. Either way it is one of the most gerrymandered districts in the country.
Even many of the states that don't have the VRA scrutiny tend to follow the guidelines. In the case of IL-4 it was Hispanic, and the ear muffs basically connected two heavily Hispanic areas that if kept separate would not meet VRA guidelines. Granted Illinois wasn't required to follow the guidelines and it likely could have been drawn better, but it was at least drawn to follow the VRA guidelines.

Now, I'm not suggesting I agree with or like the way IL-4 was drawn, but the purpose had more to do with the VRA rather than FL-22 which is purely partisan. If you look at most states you will find districts that both sides have gerrymandered for their own partisan advantage, you will also see Incumbent Protection Gerrymanders (which is what we wound up with here in NY last time around) FL-22 is the one that really takes the cake though, because its the most blatant of the partisan gerrymanders. The odd twist to that one is actually that its not a staunchly GOP district, but rather a marginal to only slight GOP leaning district.

However, to be able to draw a district that is anything other than staunchly Democratic in that neck of the woods (Broward and Palm Beach County) takes some interesting map making skills. It was actually drawn to protect former Congressman Clay Shaw (a moderate Republican) who barely held on in 2000 (few hundred votes) after Gore's 20 point victory in the district.
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