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Old 10-18-2011, 11:18 AM
 
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In 1862, General Ulysses S. Grant banned Jews in certain areas of the U.S. Jews became the focus of the suspicions of Americans because they were profiting from the war. Jewish merchants were trading between the warring factions in violation of the laws. The Union tried to cripple the Confederate economy. Northern Jew merchants were trading Southern goods, in exchange for gold. Confederates used the gold to buy weapons/ammunition/food/etc. which fueled their economy and prolonged the war.

 
Old 10-18-2011, 11:20 AM
 
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In 1862, General Ulysses S. Grant banned Jews in certain areas of the U.S. Jews became the focus of the suspicions of Americans because they were profiting from the war. Jewish merchants were trading between the warring factions in violation of the laws. The Union tried to cripple the Confederate economy. Northern Jew merchants were trading Southern goods, in exchange for gold. Confederates used the gold to buy weapons/ammunition/food/etc. which fueled their economy and prolonged the war.
Was it only Jewish merchants engaging in this practice?
 
Old 10-18-2011, 11:23 AM
 
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The anti-Semitism in this thread is nearly as sickening as Oliver Stone's defense of Hitler. The man was ultimately responsible for the murder of more than a million Jewish babies. Stone is a disgusting human being. What kind of mind turns an unrepentent mass murderer into a scapegoat? Worse, what kind of minds see fit to defend his doing so?
I think you entirely miss the point. Did Hitler kill 6 million Jews. No. He ordered the killing of 6 million Jews or what ever the number is. The point Stone is trying to make and maybe inartfully, is that it took more than one psychopath. To blame the holocaust on one person is just lunacy if not impossible. Why did the military carry out his orders? Why did the people accept this blabbering ideologue. What were the events that lead to a country supporting such a genocide. It is hard to fathom, but this was only 70 years ago. We are not talking about the dark ages.
 
Old 10-18-2011, 11:26 AM
 
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I think you entirely miss the point. Did Hitler kill 6 million Jews. No. He ordered the killing of 6 million Jews or what ever the number is. The point Stone is trying to make and maybe inartfully, is that it took more than one psychopath. To blame the holocaust on one person is just lunacy if not impossible. Why did the military carry out his orders? Why did the people accept this blabbering ideologue. What were the events that lead to a country supporting such a genocide. It is hard to fathom, but this was only 70 years ago. We are not talking about the dark ages.
Um.....what???? Who blames only Hitler? This was the most strawmanish post I've ever seen!

The Jews were a convenient scapegoat and had been for centuries.
 
Old 10-18-2011, 11:26 AM
 
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The anti-Semitism in this thread is nearly as sickening as Oliver Stone's defense of Hitler. The man was ultimately responsible for the murder of more than a million Jewish babies. Stone is a disgusting human being. What kind of mind turns an unrepentent mass murderer into a scapegoat? Worse, what kind of minds see fit to defend his doing so?
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I think you entirely miss the point. Did Hitler kill 6 million Jews. No. He ordered the killing of 6 million Jews or what ever the number is. The point Stone is trying to make and maybe inartfully, is that it took more than one psychopath. To blame the holocaust on one person is just lunacy if not impossible. Why did the military carry out his orders? Why did the people accept this blabbering ideologue. What were the events that lead to a country supporting such a genocide. It is hard to fathom, but this was only 70 years ago. We are not talking about the dark ages.
It's been confirmed... It was never 6 Million...
 
Old 10-18-2011, 11:30 AM
 
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Um.....what???? Who blames only Hitler? This was the most strawmanish post I've ever seen!

The Jews were a convenient scapegoat and had been for centuries.
Worse, Stone speaks about Hitler using the term scapegoat. That's a disgusting misuse of langauge.

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It's been confirmed... It was never 6 Million...
By who? A holocaust denial website put up by some lunatic you read somewhere?

 
Old 10-18-2011, 11:31 AM
 
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Worse, Stone speaks about Hitler using the term scapegoat. That's a disgusting misuse of langauge.



By who? A holocaust denial website put up by some lunatic you read somewhere?

From David Cole, A Jewish revisionist...


Holocaust debate with David Cole PART 1 - YouTube
 
Old 10-18-2011, 11:34 AM
 
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Worse, Stone speaks about Hitler using the term scapegoat. That's a disgusting misuse of langauge.



By who? A holocaust denial website put up by some lunatic you read somewhere?

Eleanora, I think I addressed the use of scapegoat in my previous post. He was not using the word scapegoat to say that he was not responsible. I agree that it was a word that did not fit what he was trying to say.

He was saying that one man could not do all of the things that happened. It was a movement. The questions that he wants to explore is what events lead to this movement that gave so much power to this person and how could a whole country support such a movement.
 
Old 10-18-2011, 11:35 AM
 
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From David Cole, A Jewish revisionist...


Holocaust debate with David Cole PART 1 - YouTube
Please do me a favor and do not hijack this thread with holocaust denier crap and the same videos that you keep posting. Start another thread if that is where you want to go.
 
Old 10-18-2011, 11:35 AM
 
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In 1862, General Ulysses S. Grant banned Jews in certain areas of the U.S. Jews became the focus of the suspicions of Americans because they were profiting from the war. Jewish merchants were trading between the warring factions in violation of the laws. The Union tried to cripple the Confederate economy. Northern Jew merchants were trading Southern goods, in exchange for gold. Confederates used the gold to buy weapons/ammunition/food/etc. which fueled their economy and prolonged the war.
And plenty of Northerners traded with the South as well. A lot of Northerners thought the Union should have either let the South go or made concessions that would have allowed the South to keep slavery.

I forgot. The Jew banker/merchant/gangster/dentist is responsible for all evil in the world in your eyes.
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