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Old 10-18-2011, 06:15 PM
 
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Why do people assume that everyone who attends a T Party demostration are hard working gainfully employed americans and OWS protestors are all lazy people who refuse to work.

I mean obviously the T Partiers were not at work when they were Protesting.
Can you link a tea party protest that lasted more thsn 2 days?
There's your answer.
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Old 10-18-2011, 06:15 PM
 
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Another desperate attempt to smear the OWS movement.

Sorry, righties, but they're getting a lot more support than the tea party.
Not really. Here in Baltimore, there is a makeshift tent city at the harbor with maybe 50 people. The general populace believes in working for a living--something the OWS folks don't seem to grasp.
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Old 10-18-2011, 06:16 PM
 
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Can you link a tea party protest that lasted more thsn 2 days?
There's your answer.
Well, it's kind of hard to camp out for two days when you work for a living. The OWS types don't have to worry about that, so they can camp out for weeks on end.

I hope it gets really cold really fast.
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Old 10-18-2011, 06:19 PM
 
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I love reading the libs on this site.

They had no problem claiming all tea partiers are racists because of one or two invented and/or real incidents or signs.

Now that certain elements of OWS are letting their true colors fly, our liberal friends are saying "Gee, you can't judge the group by the actions of a few."

Liberal hypocrisy - it never ends.
I'm not a liberal--I'm a moderate R (and not a tea party fan) but one or two incidents? There were some real kooks in the tea party crowd as well--I think there is any time you have a big gathering of people protesting anything--they're drawn like moths. I know you view this as payback--there were a lot of liberals that took absolute glee in the Klan endorsement, and the racist signs--but the sad part is that by doing that, it took away from the message of fiscal responsibility that both sides should at least talk about, even if they don't agree completely on how to make it happen. If you don't have the conversation, people just hunker down to their "side", and nothing gets done--kind of like what's going on in congress now.

This situation is no different that what happened in 08--people are upset about our financial system, and they're protesting. We have big problems, and we need to have a national conversation on how to fix them. Right now this isn't a partisan thing, and I hope that the D's and R's can actually discuss the influence that big money has in politics, or about the need for putting some reforms back on the financial system. If you can't rise above the name calling to do it, then we get nowhere. Is that what you really want?
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Old 10-18-2011, 06:28 PM
 
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I'm not a liberal--I'm a moderate R (and not a tea party fan) but one or two incidents? There were some real kooks in the tea party crowd as well--I think there is any time you have a big gathering of people protesting anything--they're drawn like moths. I know you view this as payback--there were a lot of liberals that took absolute glee in the Klan endorsement, and the racist signs--but the sad part is that by doing that, it took away from the message of fiscal responsibility that both sides should at least talk about, even if they don't agree completely on how to make it happen. If you don't have the conversation, people just hunker down to their "side", and nothing gets done--kind of like what's going on in congress now.

This situation is no different that what happened in 08--people are upset about our financial system, and they're protesting. We have big problems, and we need to have a national conversation on how to fix them. Right now this isn't a partisan thing, and I hope that the D's and R's can actually discuss the influence that big money has in politics, or about the need for putting some reforms back on the financial system. If you can't rise above the name calling to do it, then we get nowhere. Is that what you really want?
You seem to be a sensible guy. At least until the part where you talk about having a rational discussion with the OWS folks. They think it's the government's job to provide every American with health care, a college education, and a pension. I'm sorry, but I have nothing in common with these people whatsoever.

In my America, individuals are responsible for their lives, not the government. That is a core principle that I cannot and will not compromise on.

I'm also amused that the namecalling has to stop *now*. Where were you when every fiscal conservative in the Tea Party was been painted as a David Koresh/Klansman type? I'm tired of these calls for civility and discourse AFTER the left has successfully smeared whoever happens to be disagreeing with them.

There can be no compromise with the OWS types. The only answer to them is to ignore them and defeat their candidates at the polls, which I will take great pleasure in doing.
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Old 10-18-2011, 06:41 PM
 
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Cradle to grave entitlements. This is the think of OWS protesters. But, even farther go the Communists and such that have glommed on to this group of complainers.

It is not good for these folk's mental health to have been suckered by the left into thinking that they can't provide for themselves. It is a disease. Envy is at the root of left wing ideology and it is dragging down this country. Many people could be happy if they'd just contribute to society instead of taking from society.
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Old 10-18-2011, 06:45 PM
 
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Cradle to grave entitlements. This is the think of OWS protesters. But, even farther go the Communists and such that have glommed on to this group of complainers.

It is not good for these folk's mental health to have been suckered by the left into thinking that they can't provide for themselves. It is a disease. Envy is at the root of left wing ideology and it is dragging down this country. Many people could be happy if they'd just contribute to society instead of taking from society.
Now I understand! The problem with this country is greedy poor people instead of greedy rich people.
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Old 10-18-2011, 06:54 PM
 
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Now I understand! The problem with this country is greedy poor people instead of greedy rich people.
It's always a balancing act, isn't it?
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:08 PM
 
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Now I understand! The problem with this country is greedy poor people instead of greedy rich people.

I think you know what I mean.

Do you teach your children to be able to take care of themselves, or do you teach them to be leeches?
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:14 PM
 
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You seem to be a sensible guy. At least until the part where you talk about having a rational discussion with the OWS folks. They think it's the government's job to provide every American with health care, a college education, and a pension. I'm sorry, but I have nothing in common with these people whatsoever.

In my America, individuals are responsible for their lives, not the government. That is a core principle that I cannot and will not compromise on.

I'm also amused that the namecalling has to stop *now*. Where were you when every fiscal conservative in the Tea Party was been painted as a David Koresh/Klansman type? I'm tired of these calls for civility and discourse AFTER the left has successfully smeared whoever happens to be disagreeing with them.

There can be no compromise with the OWS types. The only answer to them is to ignore them and defeat their candidates at the polls, which I will take great pleasure in doing.
First--I'm not a guy. Second--I've never called people the more offensive version of "tea partier," and I've stood up for their right to protest, even though I thought some of their proposals were pretty misguided. If it was racist I called them on it, but that video floating around of that woman going off on the anti-Jewish rant at OWS is just as deplorable--you find kooks in every crowd.

I support what OWS is doing, but I also think some of the ideas coming out of OWS are pretty misguided as well. Here's the thing though--these people aren't going to get free everything and a government created job, any more than some in the tea party wanted to abolish every single federal department except for the military. Both are over reactions to the problem, and both sides have people who do that. That doesn't mean that the main messages of both groups--fiscal responsibility, the role of big business in government, and common sense regs in the financial industry aren't critical.

If you get so lost in making fun of the extreme stuff, you never get around to talking about the serious issues. That's what bothers me. It always gets personal, it always gets ugly, neither side will listen to the other, and nothing gets done. I don't think we can afford to do that to each other any more.

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