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I was a conservative, up until the conservatives helped facilitate a bailout of the large financial firms.
Now my attitude towards American politics has changed radically. I used to operate with the assumption that all those corporate risks were OK, because they were being borne by investors.
In reality, systemic risk is not borne by investors, it is borne by taxpayers. This new normal has changed nearly everything about my political views. I no longer have any problem with taxpayer-backed socialism for the average person, because we now have socialism for corporate America.
YOu need to find who created the fail safe on the back of the taxpayers to allow those evil financial firms to operate without risk. Fannie/Freddie for instance. Who is making the decisions at the fed now and sending our money to bail out Europe? Who invested a trillioin US taxdollars into a stimulous plan that did nothing? Who wants another 500 billion to do the same or we'll all be raped and killed according to a certain VP.
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Threads like this one really show how liberals have an edge when it comes to intellect, experience, and compassion. I'm absolutely a liberal and proud of it. I'm smart enough to know how the rich play their conservative supporters for fools, and why shouldn't they? If I can convince someone living in a trailer they need to crash a town hall meeting and scream at their representative to lower taxes on millionaires because it's about "freedom" or some other nonsense, why not make that fool useful? He is making someone else rich working for peanuts, but if we can organize this rabble and work to attack middle class wages and argue in favor of tax breaks for the wealthy, the whole (1-5%) can benefit. And who could blame them? Capitalism, at its core, is based on maximizing ones self worth. And that has a cost not shared evenly.
Thus, the Tea Party was born.
It's actually a pretty clever psychological scam too, by selling the idea to these poor suckers that "whatever you're unhappy about, it's really the fault of all those Big Guvmint Libruls who want to tax the rich... which BTW you should care about, 'cuz one day you might be rich too!" Yeah, when pigs fly...
YOu need to find who created the fail safe on the back of the taxpayers to allow those evil financial firms to operate without risk. Fannie/Freddie for instance.
Fannie and Freddie were private firms when the crisis hit.
Who decided to bring them into conservatorship in Sept 2008? The Bush administration.
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Who is making the decisions at the fed now and sending our money to bail out Europe? Who invested a trillioin US taxdollars into a stimulous plan that did nothing? Who wants another 500 billion to do the same or we'll all be raped and killed according to a certain VP.
Democrats, unfortunately.
Here's the rub -- what would Republicans be doing?
I listen to the debates, and I think the situation would be much worse.
It is much less acceptable for Republicans to do stupid things like this, because they masquarade as the party that has a clue about economics, and they oppose many of the measures that would offset the pain for the average person. I expect this sort of nonsense from the Democrats because it fits their ideology. I hold Republicans to a different standard, because they talk a big game about "free markets."
Yes, they need to support the rich, because one day you too could be rich.
I hate to burst your bubble. Well I enjoy the hell out if in truth.
Your plumber is a millionaire, your electrician is a millionaire, the guy who owns your lawn care company is a millionaire, your auto mechanic is a millionaire. All those people you look down on are laughing at you because they can buy and sell you at will.
Enjoy reality.
You too could be a millionaire if work wasn't beneath you.
If so, what was the major turning point for you. It's just that both generally and personally, I always hear people converting the other way around as they get older. I myself voted for John Kerry in '04 at the ripe old age of 18(that's why 18-yr. olds shouldn't vote) and am so conservative now i vote Constitution Party (when possible).
I'm STILL a social-liberal, fiscal-conservative.
However, my perception and understanding has changed in terms of recognizing that the dems and reps are VERY much the same if not identical.
So, where I probably would have considered myself more to the right at one time in my early 20's.....I'm a solid independent now.
Threads like this one really show how liberals have an edge when it comes to intellect, experience, and compassion. I'm absolutely a liberal and proud of it. I'm smart enough to know how the rich play their conservative supporters for fools, and why shouldn't they? If I can convince someone living in a trailer they need to crash a town hall meeting and scream at their representative to lower taxes on millionaires because it's about "freedom" or some other nonsense, why not make that fool useful? He is making someone else rich working for peanuts, but if we can organize this rabble and work to attack middle class wages and argue in favor of tax breaks for the wealthy, the whole (1-5%) can benefit. And who could blame them? Capitalism, at its core, is based on maximizing ones self worth. And that has a cost not shared evenly.
Mother is a right-wing Republican and dad is a Democrat. My mother had brain-washed me into thinking Republicans were the only way to go until I could think for myself. After I moved out and became independent I became a bleeding heart liberal. It is more compassionate and that is how I believe we should live our lives with love and compassion for everyone.
That is well and good and I think most people feel that way. You will come to find that some of the people you wish to help don't want help. Some of the people you help just become less self-sufficient. Some that you help just keep wanting more. But the worst thing about the direction the liberals have gone, they now feel they know how to correct all of world's problems. They don't.
Here is a good liberal, Jon Bon Jovi's charity restaurant opens in NJ - Yahoo! News
There are good liberals out there. The politicians though, are not, they feel they can solve problems by mandating things. In this example, something as stupid as proposing a law that all restaurants bills should be optional. Don't think it can happen? Read some of the legislation. It should be noted that every single area they have tried to correct, the problem they tried to fix has become worse and also has created unintended consequences.
It should be noted that every single area they have tried to correct, the problem they tried to fix has become worse and has also created unintended consequences.[/quote]
Could you please cite every single area that liberals have tried to correct and then cite how the problem has become worse every single time. Please don't cite a few, please cite every single one.
Or you could just not make baseless generalizations.
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