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Old 10-21-2011, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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It was funny that the first reports were that the french had stopped the convoy of vehicles with an airstrike, taking out 15 vehicles. Apparently Obama wanted credit, so a story develops that a drone hit the convoy too, neither side knowing which actually led to Gaddafi's killing - so they both get to take credit. It's a sick world we are living in. The game is rigged, the truth is buried, and what you are led to believe is all smoke n mirrors. Mind control of the masses has been perfected.
Nawh - those in control actually think that the public is dumb - the public is highly informed and free thinking - but they stay mum - which is the wise thing to do...imagine if people stood up and spoke out? We would all end up like this stupid dictator..beaten to a pulp by henchmen who would do anything for a pay check and a pat on the head...If you have not noticed - North Amerian hiring policy for law enforcement has changed..the new policy is "hire only those of limited intelligence who will take orders without question" - Have a look around - our cops are not what they used to be - evil and stupidity are kin.
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Old 10-21-2011, 06:48 AM
 
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I really hope the people pretending to believe that Qaddafi was no threat to us realize that those of us with an ounce of perception know that you're pretending in order to attack your political rivals.

Yes, it's THAT obvious, and very saddening to see people who claim to be patriots use a dictator's death (who murdered Americans and never paid for his crime, while thumbing his nose at us) to attack their opponents. I don't remember Saddam downing any airliners loaded with Americans, but the US right-wing wanted his blood anyway.

It's hilarious watching these people contort themselves and trample all over their own blood-thirsty legacy in a bid to attack the people they hate most - their fellow Americans.

Did y'all whine when Reagan ordered the attacks on Libyan warplanes or Qaddafi's compound? Nooooope. Just celebrations. Very interesting...
When Reagan attacked, Qaddafi was involved in attacks on US citizens, namely members of our military. Currently, he was no immediate threat. He'd given up his weapons voluntarily, and was far from the threat that he was in the past.

As I've said, I applaud the killing of Qaddafi, as an act of revenge. But I'm disgusted with the lefties that for decades shrieked about military action overseas, and that we should never kill for revenge, but now that it's Obama, they're all for it.
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Old 10-21-2011, 06:55 AM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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As I understand it, the US effort in Libya had diminished to nearly nothing beyond logistics by the time the rebels captured Qadaffi.

Should Obama get some credit for how he handled this situation?

Definitely. America doesn't have to be on the front line of every conflict in order to have a decisive effect.

But the kudos for overthrowing a terrorist dictator should go to the Libyan resistance. Those folks suffered under Qadaffi's yoke for decades. Now they have a chance to do things their way. We should applaud their efforts.
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Old 10-21-2011, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I can't figure out why we went to war.. Quaddafi, what did he do exactly?

One moment he is meeting up with heads of state all over Europe, Obama, etc etc and next thing NATO is sending in air strikes to 'promote democracy?'

Libyans have a high standard of living on the continent and free health care, education, etc... Kind of makes me wonder how much support this rebel group actually has.
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For starters...
He financed the bombing of flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland. 270 killed, many of them Americans.

He armed and financially supported almost all of the terrorist groups that first formed in the late 70's-early 80's. His finances funded the attacks on the cruise ship, several airplane hijackings, and attempted/sucessful bomb attacks on other mid-east leaders who opposed him.

More recently, he turned his support to Africa, where he armed the child soldiers of Liberia and other countries.

He supplied Saddam with poison gas that was used on Iraqi citizens.

He was the first Arab ruler to create a nuclear program intended to make nuclear weapons. The labs were taken apart after Reagan's strike on his compound, but were never destroyed until 2003 or thereabouts.

He killed 1,200 prisoners and leveled the prison after they protested their lack of appeal.

He held show trials after a failed coup attempt, and publicly hanged them in a sports stadium, including some of their wives and children.

I could go on... want any more? Were you living during the 20th Century? All of this was on the nightly news when it happened.

So why didn't we just nab him earlier this year, when he was at the UN giving his long winded speech?? What caused the tipping point that required 0bama to unilaterally go to war with him?
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Old 10-21-2011, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Florida
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As I understand it, the US effort in Libya had diminished to nearly nothing beyond logistics by the time the rebels captured Qadaffi.

Should Obama get some credit for how he handled this situation?

Definitely. America doesn't have to be on the front line of every conflict in order to have a decisive effect.

But the kudos for overthrowing a terrorist dictator should go to the Libyan resistance. Those folks suffered under Qadaffi's yoke for decades. Now they have a chance to do things their way. We should applaud their efforts.
None of those rebels would be alive today if it was not for US, and NATO. When we intervened, a genocide was under way, and the rebels had been driven into a corner (one city) and the noose was tightening around their necks. We saved their butts, and put them in a position to kill Gaddafi, and gave them their freedom. If they do not see that, then that's too bad. It doesn't matter if they gives us any credit, because free Libya benefits us either way. It is time for them to celebrate and feel proud. They fought and won, and that is something to feel proud about.

US and NATO are not taking the credit publicly, which is good, but facts are facts. Rebel victory would have been impossible without US/NATO.
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Old 10-21-2011, 07:10 AM
 
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So why didn't we just nab him earlier this year, when he was at the UN giving his long winded speech??
Ever hear of Diplomatic Immunity?

Diplomatic immunity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 10-21-2011, 07:12 AM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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None of those rebels would be alive today if it was not for US, and NATO. When we intervened, a genocide was under way, and the rebels had been driven into a corner (one city) and the noose was tightening around their necks. We saved their butts, and put them in a position to kill Gaddafi, and gave them their freedom. If they do not see that, then that's too bad. It doesn't matter if they gives us any credit, because free Libya benefits us either way. It is time for them to celebrate and feel proud. They fought and won, and that is something to feel proud about.

US and NATO are not taking the credit publicly, which is good, but facts are facts. Rebel victory would have been impossible without US/NATO.

All that is true, which is why I think the president deserves some credit for handling the situation effectively. We all have to understand that although the rebellion wouldn't have been succesful w/o US and NATO aid, Libya belongs to the Libyans. We just need to make an effort to keep Iran from capitalizing on the power vaccum left in Qadaffi's wake.
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Old 10-21-2011, 07:13 AM
 
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None of those rebels would be alive today if it was not for US, and NATO. When we intervened, they had been driven into a corner (one city) and the noose was tightening around their necks. We saved their butts, and put them in a position to kill Gaddafi, and gave them their freedom. If they do not see that, then that's too bad. It doesn't matter if they gives us any credit, because free Libya benefits us either way. It is time for them to celebrate and feel proud. They fought and won, and that is something to feel proud about.

US and NATO are not taking the credit publicly, which is good, but facts are facts. Rebel victory would have been impossible without US/NATO.

that is interesting because it proves that obama lied that we weren't going after gaddafi.


how does this benefit us, other than having to pay for the war action that is?

oh, and probably having to pay for "stability" , and then "change" after that.

and, in more news, we are ramping it up in bahrain:

The Pentagon recently sent dozens of American tanks, armored personnel carriers, helicopter gunships, thousands of .38 caliber pistols and millions of rounds of ammunition, from .50 caliber rounds used in sniper rifles and machine guns to bullets for handguns.

International pressure and criticism of Obama’s partnership in suppressing democracy in Bahrain forced them this week to place a hold on an additional order of $53 million in arms and military equipment. Bahrain, too, is set to receive tens of millions of dollars in US aid and security assistance next year.

add bahrain to our "to do" list.

so where are we now?
increasing action/aggression/threats in yemen, somalia, bahrain, libya, uganda, pakistan,and iran.
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Old 10-21-2011, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Plenty of Libyans, women, children, and blacks died, but I guess they don't count. US pays 80% of the bills for NATO, so let's quit pretending NATO did it.

Gadhafi wasn't captured, he was murdered.
Exactly! Our military gets condemned by the world for putting pink women's underwear on the heads of captured terrorists, or punching an al Qaeda leader in the eye. Here we have the Libyan rebels, who are their new military, beat and murder a helpless prisoner, and it's back slaps and cheers all around.

Khaddaphy was an evil man, and he got what he deserved, but that does not make it right to throw ourselves in with the hate filled, murderous mob.
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Old 10-21-2011, 07:17 AM
 
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You people do realize the air strike of Gadaffi's vehicle convoy was done by the French with French missiles, right?
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