I have a confederate flag questions

[DiogenesofJackson]

Originally Posted by Memphis1979

With no new "slave" states, it would mean that the south would lose its ability to block abolition votes in the Senate.

Northern, Republican lawmakers, were threatening to make slavery illegal, in all states, and then southern slave owners would have lost everything they owned. So it was better to go to war then to lose all you owned.

Very basic explanation, in reality it was far more complicated.

Uhh, I think that among the wealthiest slave owners they could have survived. So they tried to destroy the country to hang on to their personal wealth? What did Gordon Gekko say in the movie Wall Street? "Greed is good." Well, I think the 620,000 lost souls from the Civil War would say otherwise, never mind the additional 1.1 million who came away from the war maimed, insane, and deprived of basic necessities.

Fundamentally, it was a conflict between two very different economic systems and which one would prevail in each and every state in the Union. Had the antislavery position failed, then the proslavery position of the Planters would have prevailed, which would have foisted slavery upon the states that had long since abolished it.

So much for states' rights. The war was about hanging onto and expanding Planter wealth and an archaic economic system built on human bondage.

[tom77falcons]

Originally Posted by Memphis1979

Why were no confederates ever tried for treason?

Because the supreme court wouldn't have convicted them of treason, secession wasn't treason until after the passage of the 14th amendment.

Robert E Lee and Jefferson Davis were indicted, but Andrew Johnson pardoned them. The view was to heal the nations wounds as Lincoln had wanted. Traitors none the less.

So, I'm waiting for you to answer my basic question about why the Founders put no wording whatsoever in the Constitution about how a state is to leave the Union. Was it to be a unilateral decision, with no other state having any say? 2/3 majority of a state legislature? Why the direction on a state entering, and none on a state leaving?

[roysoldboy]

Originally Posted by desertdetroiter

Doesn't bother me. Fly a million of the things. I just say to myself "those sure are some proud losers," then i keep it moving as if i'd never seen it.

It has a lot of negativity attached to it, and i have no respect for the banner myself, but i'm not from the south, don't give a damn about the Confederacy or their heritage, and don't see it as my business to tell them what to do with something they treasure so much.

The whole "race" thing surrounding the flag is a complicated issue. One group says heritage, the other says hate. I say go buy a big ass steak, nice bottle of wine, put on some Miles Davis, and pay it no mind.

Why do you always have to throw in that thing about Miles Davis? I too love those things, especially him.

I was with a very large football coach, who had been a bouncer for one of the local hoods in a town that had served as an escape hole for hoods from all over the country, one day in Topeka, Ks and we were walking down a sidewalk that should have never been constructed, a little higher than the hoods of vehicles. We came upon a fairly new Mustang, that was early 60s, with a large confederate flag on the hood. Ted just said some words I can't say here and jumped right in the middle of that hood. He said he hoped the guy who owned the car saw it happen so he could beat the hell out of him. I was very happy that the guy obviously wasn't around then.