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Old 11-03-2011, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Spewing insults is your norm in this forum.
No insult intended. Merely concern for your well being.

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The question has not been answered..
The question is completely meaningless and obtuse. It is further, by any measure completely unrelated to this thread. Are you well?

 
Old 11-03-2011, 07:18 PM
 
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And if that citizenship is gained at birth rather than via naturalization, they are natural born citizens.

These are the facts according to the Law of the Land (in Minor).

-Two paths to U.S. Citizenship, born and naturalized. [EVERYONE AGREES]

-Multiple classes of Citizens (big difference): they mention the natural born CLASS (born in the US to citizen parents) and "the ones that they have doubts if they are even citizens" CLASS (born in the states to non-citizen parents)

That's all there is to Minor...MINOR DID NOT MENTION THAT ALL IN THE "BORN" PATH ARE NBC. SCOTUS DID MENTION THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT CLASSES OF CITIZENS, THE NBC CLASS WHO ARE WITHOUT DOUBT CITIZENS AND THE OTHER CLASS WITH DOUBTS. A2S1 IS THE ONLY PLACE WHERE THEY ESTABLISH THIS CLASS IN THE CONSTITUTION. You can run 20, 100, 200 laps, be on the clock, but that's what you'll find in this case.

If SCOTUS in Minor did not construe the 14th Amendment (FACT) and they have doubts whether citizens without refence to parents are even citizens (FACT), how can there be such a "doubt" in the requirements of the presidency per A2S1 and the 14th amendment as established national law at the time of Minor?

In other terms, If Obama were to run for President at the time of Minor, how can there ever be a "doubt" whether he could be a citizen if he is an NBC today? Wasnt someone being born a citizen have always being a Natural born citizen according to you? At this point you're going to run another marathon and include the WKA comments, go ahead.

The fact is that there has never, ever, have been any doubts who can be President in the history of the U.S. per SCOTUS who construed the NBC clause, which it has never been amended or superseded, neither in 14A nor in WKA. WKA court construed the 14th Amendment to declare him a Citizen and not even Obama fit in WKA's citizen definition as his father was not domiciled in the U.S. IF YOU WANT TO JOIN THE MARATHON WITH THOSE WHO THINK THAT THE OTHER CLASS WITH DOUBTS BECAME NBC IN WKA, THEN SUBSTANTIATE IT IN THIS THREAD.

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Old 11-03-2011, 08:12 PM
 
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These are the facts.....
well it looks like you are in luck mrlqban.

two lawsuits have been filed against the democratic party because, according to the suit, ".....the Supreme Court has defined “natural-born citizen” as a person born to two parents who were both U.S. citizens at the time of the natural-born citizen’s birth."

One Nation Under Fraud: JOIN THE CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT...LET'S KEEP THE USURPER OFF THE BALLOT!

so there you have it, if the plaintiffs can show standing then your interpretation of minor v happersett will have it's day in court.
 
Old 11-03-2011, 08:20 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The distinction is between natural-born citizens and aliens/foreigners. Please show where they distinguished between natural-born citizens and citizens who acquired their status at birth. Oh, there isn't any such distinction????
A Constitutional NBC has 2 U.S. citizen parents. A citizen at birth has 1 or no U.S. citizen parent(s) and very possibly a foreign citizenship at birth, like Obama.
 
Old 11-03-2011, 08:42 PM
 
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A Constitutional NBC....
see my previous post.
 
Old 11-03-2011, 09:11 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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see my previous post.

...if the plaintiffs can show standing
That's the problem. For some reason, the current SCOTUS doesn't think U.S. citizens have standing to question the eligibility of their own elected officials.

Silence peasants!
 
Old 11-04-2011, 12:38 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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see my previous post.
That is a differnt approach, they're going after the democrat party instead of Obama. I'll help.

On 10/25/11 Liberty Legal Foundation filed two simultaneous lawsuits against the Democratic Party. Both lawsuits request injunctions prohibiting the Party from certifying that Obama is Constitutionally qualified to run for the office of President in the 2012 election. Without such a certification from the Party, Obama will not appear on any ballot in the 2012 general election.
Neither lawsuit discuss Obama’s place of birth or his birth certificate. These issues are completely irrelevant to our argument. LLF’s lawsuit simply points out that the Supreme Court has defined “natural-born citizen” as a person born to two parents who were both U.S. citizens at the time of the natural-born citizen’s birth. Obama’s father was never a U.S. citizen. Therefore, Obama can never be a natural-born citizen. His place of birth is irrelevant.
 
Old 11-04-2011, 05:58 AM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Old 11-04-2011, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Mississippi
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An English educated judge confirming Vattel's definition of a natural born citizen.

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Old 11-04-2011, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Mississippi
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A US Secretary of State confirming the nationality of a person can be determined by Vattel's Law of Nations.

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