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Old 10-24-2011, 05:01 PM
 
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Where are the Obama Lover's? Certainly The Man has done something positive to capture their votes, right?
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Old 10-24-2011, 05:10 PM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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Thanks. I hope so. I already learned something here that I did not know about Pharma.
Yeah, me too. That was interesting. And I actually read AeroGuy's posts because even though he's a conservative, he doesn't seem like a political hack like some right wingers on the forum.
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Old 10-24-2011, 05:18 PM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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Where are the Obama Lover's? Certainly The Man has done something positive to capture their votes, right?
Well, I didn't vote for him, but I'm on the left side of this forum, so I'll speak up:

I like Obama immensely as a person, but I don't think he is a great leader. I'm sorry, but I'm not impressed with his leadership style. And he's caved way too often to the other side and to corporate interests (especially if that thing you said about big pharma is accurate). He's certainly no FDR.

That said, I do think he should get some credit as commander in chief (and the navy seals) for getting Bin Laden. I know most on the right belittle it, which is incredibly disappointing. But considering it took ten years to get him, it's nothing to sneeze at. That's my two cents on it.
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Old 10-24-2011, 05:25 PM
 
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Well, I didn't vote for him, but I'm on the left side of this forum, so I'll speak up:

I like Obama immensely as a person, but I don't think he is a great leader. I'm sorry, but I'm not impressed with his leadership style. And he's caved way too often to the other side and to corporate interests (especially if that thing you said about big pharma is accurate). He's certainly no FDR.

That said, I do think he should get some credit as commander in chief (and the navy seals) for getting Bin Laden. I know most on the right belittle it, which is incredibly disappointing. But considering it took ten years to get him, it's nothing to sneeze at. That's my two cents on it.
Here's a little ammo to back up my claims. I should have included this in my original post.

White House Affirms Deal on Drug Cost - NYTimes.com
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Old 10-24-2011, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Well, I didn't vote for him, but I'm on the left side of this forum, so I'll speak up:

I like Obama immensely as a person, but I don't think he is a great leader. I'm sorry, but I'm not impressed with his leadership style. And he's caved way too often to the other side and to corporate interests (especially if that thing you said about big pharma is accurate). He's certainly no FDR.

That said, I do think he should get some credit as commander in chief (and the navy seals) for getting Bin Laden. I know most on the right belittle it, which is incredibly disappointing. But considering it took ten years to get him, it's nothing to sneeze at. That's my two cents on it.
As one who may be considered too far right and an Obama hater and all that I must ask some questions about his recent actions and whether or not they can be deemed very dangerous.

Do you recall the Prince and his girl being driven into a crowd of British students protesting the steady rise of tuition? Not so far back and although not all of the media told the story, Fox did, and the crowd when trying to break the windows on the car and shaking the car around were yelling things like "Off with their head". Attach this to the most recent promise by Obama about dealing with tuition for students and to help house owners pay off their mortgages. He said this while talking about having to go around Congress to get it done. Now I am not trying to connect Obama to OWS but wasn't that one of the first things the students were complaining about? If that is so do I see him trying to "buy" some votes with that action? Is it possible that unless we find that those students really were useful idiots they will get him to avoid legislation in the manner talked about in the Constitution of the US.

I would really like to discuss this with someone who is willing to tell me all about it.
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Old 10-24-2011, 06:00 PM
 
Location: The Twilight Zone
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Well, I didn't vote for him, but I'm on the left side of this forum, so I'll speak up:

I like Obama immensely as a person, but I don't think he is a great leader. I'm sorry, but I'm not impressed with his leadership style. And he's caved way too often to the other side and to corporate interests (especially if that thing you said about big pharma is accurate). He's certainly no FDR.

That said, I do think he should get some credit as commander in chief (and the navy seals) for getting Bin Laden. I know most on the right belittle it, which is incredibly disappointing. But considering it took ten years to get him, it's nothing to sneeze at. That's my two cents on it.
I certainly am not sad that Bin Laden is dead, but I do have a problem with the new policy of assassinating individuals all around the world. Especially when innocent people get killed from the drone attacks. From everything I read, BL could have been taken alive, interrogated and then put on trial. But the directive was to assassinate, not capture. That is the policy I have a problem with.
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Old 10-24-2011, 06:41 PM
 
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Implementing yet another mortgage bailout program as he is about to do is yet another policy I disagree with. Let's see now. Freddie and Fannie are already messed up and a big part of the financial crisis, yet we are going to double down on them again?

I lean pretty strongly right on fiscal issues. I have liked very little that has come out of this administration regarding the economy and the housing market. But the latest mortgage policy, if I understand it correctly, is something I can get behind. Allowing people with qualifying credit and the financial capacity to repay the opportunity to refinance their existing home at prevailing low interest rates, even though they're now "underwater" since their house values have dropped so much since they purchased, is a good thing. It rewards people who have done right so far in difficult times. It frees up a little cash flow for them, some of which will "trickle sideways" into consumer spending. It gives them an additional reason to continue to stick it out in neighborhoods that have been ravaged by foreclosure and short-sales. And it does all this without increasing Fannie's and Freddie's exposure since they are already exposed on these properties. In fact, it could be argued that it slightly decreases their exposure since the owners are a little less likely to default in the future if their payments are lower and they'll build equity slightly quicker with the lower rate. Some consumers may take this opportunity to shorten their term, significantly reducing the long-term exposure to the Freddie & Fannie.
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Old 10-24-2011, 06:44 PM
 
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I lean pretty strongly right on fiscal issues. I have liked very little that has come out of this administration regarding the economy and the housing market. But the latest mortgage policy, if I understand it correctly, is something I can get behind. Allowing people with qualifying credit and the financial capacity to repay the opportunity to refinance their existing home at prevailing low interest rates, even though they're now "underwater" since their house values have dropped so much since they purchased, is a good thing. It rewards people who have done right so far in difficult times. It frees up a little cash flow for them, some of which will "trickle sideways" into consumer spending. It gives them an additional reason to continue to stick it out in neighborhoods that have been ravaged by foreclosure and short-sales. And it does all this without increasing Fannie's and Freddie's exposure since they are already exposed on these properties. In fact, it could be argued that it slightly decreases their exposure since the owners are a little less likely to default in the future if their payments are lower and they'll build equity slightly quicker with the lower rate. Some consumers may take this opportunity to shorten their term, significantly reducing the long-term exposure to the Fredannies.
Yes, I agree with your position on the mortgage plan as I understand it. But one has to wonder how this sort of thing comes about in an election year? Was the government not capable of taking this kind of action when votes weren't needed to help a failing President?
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Old 10-24-2011, 06:45 PM
 
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Implementing yet another mortgage bailout program as he is about to do is yet another policy I disagree with. Let's see now. Freddie and Fannie are already messed up and a big part of the financial crisis, yet we are going to double down on them again?
Well so much for that "serious policy discussion."
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Old 10-24-2011, 06:52 PM
 
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The US withdrawal from Iraq will by far be his biggest accomplishment since having come to power. I also really liked the balanced stance he has taken towards to Israeli-Palestinian fiasco; warning Israel that they would have to return to their old borders, while warning the Palestinians that any premature attempts at statehood would be opposed vehemently.
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