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Old 10-24-2011, 11:31 AM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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i've been gay my whole life without choice. What do people who are against marriage equality think we shoudl do? marry someone of the opposite sex via lying to them? and then get blamed for destrying two lives? should we both be unhappy to make strangers happy? why does this even make strangers happy?

why would a GAY PERSON have a STRIGHT MARRIAGE?

btw, i'm 34 and still a virgin. I have a degree in religion and am a good person but I am waiting to find the right person, and when i do i although i live the state that i grew up in with my friends and family and i don't like moving far away from them I have to move FAR AWAY from family and friends to another state to get married, unlike most of you.

I simply don't understand how someone is PASSIONATE about ENSURING someone else doesn't get a right that they get becaue they were born differently.

Again, i don't get it.

what does someone's sexual orientation have to do with 'morality'.

why do some people think this should be up to 'the public' when voting on OTHER people's rights WHILE THEY ENJOY them are unconstitutional?

don't get it.
Through the legal system, via powers of attorney and wills you can ensure that your significant other has all the "rights" afforded to them to become beneficiaries of your estate property, make health care decisions for you, etc., The only thing that your significant other cannot do is be included on a health care plan.

Homosexuals have acquired the privilege of being able to cohabitate openly without fear of reprisal, which would have been unheard of centuries, or even decades ago; they cannot be discriminated against or mistreated by "hate" crimes or other harassment.

If, one day you find your significant other, your blind determination to be married will force you to abandon your family and friends, but that is YOUR choice to make. Instead of being content to keep the status quo, you feel that you must "make a point". If you would just be happy to live your life together you wouldn't have all this drama.

20yrsinBranson
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Old 10-24-2011, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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btw, i'm 34 and still a virgin.
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Again, i don't get it.
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Old 10-24-2011, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Personally as a heterosexual woman married to a heterosexual man we prefer "Life Partner" as it better describes the depth of our relationship. We are married in the eyes of our Roman Catholic Church and in the eyes of the law.

I think gay marriage is where Separation of Church and State comes into play. "Marriage" is not a magical place where all traditions are honored or revered. Fifty percent of marriages end in divorce, usually because at least one of the Ten Commandments has been broken. There is nothing more sacred about marriage performed in a Church than there is a marriage performed in a court or at Las Vegas. Marriage is a legal contract, an easily broken contract I might add, that offers two people protections under the law. Nothing to do with Church - the law. Let the Church's decide if they willl honor homosexual marriage, but if you seperate Church and State there is no legal reason why homosexuals can not marry. They deserve the same rights under law as everyone else.
Amen to this sentiment chele123! And pfooey to yeldaf who said, "Marriage by definition is the union of opposites."

Whose definition is that? There was a time not too long ago that the definition of marriage was a woman being chattel to be transferred from her father to her husband. In fact, the Hebrew word for husband is "baal", which means owner.

Furthermore, up until very recently the definition of marriage in many states included a prohibition on blacks marrying whites.

If a church or religion is against gay marriage, that religious body is not being forced to perform such a ceremony, but gay people should have the option to marry civilly or with a religious body which does approve.
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Old 10-24-2011, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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My question to you is why do you feel the need to be married in order to live with a person you choose?

When you say you're a virgin do you mean that you've never been with a woman or do you mean that you've never been with anyone?

How would you know if you're gay if you've never been with anyone?
Seriously, EdwardA, didn't you know you liked girls before you lost your virginity? Or did you experiment with some boys first, and then realized you prefer the female variety?
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Old 10-24-2011, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Seriously, EdwardA, didn't you know you liked girls before you lost your virginity? Or did you experiment with some boys first, and then realized you prefer the female variety?
Children are imprinted at an early age, partly by role modeling, suckling at mothers breast and teaching. Gays are confused then indoctrinated, but we will not pretend that this is normal. It is an aberration. We will not pretend that men and women are the same, we have different functions in this world - as it should be.
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Old 10-24-2011, 12:10 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Wow. That really accounts for all the first-born and only child gay people I know.

Oh, no, wait...it doesn't. Please to keep hogwash theories to self.
I didn't say there are NO homosexual first-born. It is about probability and statistics...
Fraternal birth order and male sexual orientation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 10-24-2011, 12:22 PM
 
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Personally as a heterosexual woman married to a heterosexual man we prefer "Life Partner" as it better describes the depth of our relationship. We are married in the eyes of our Roman Catholic Church and in the eyes of the law.

I think gay marriage is where Separation of Church and State comes into play. "Marriage" is not a magical place where all traditions are honored or revered. Fifty percent of marriages end in divorce, usually because at least one of the Ten Commandments has been broken. There is nothing more sacred about marriage performed in a Church than there is a marriage performed in a court or at Las Vegas. Marriage is a legal contract, an easily broken contract I might add, that offers two people protections under the law. Nothing to do with Church - the law. Let the Church's decide if they willl honor homosexual marriage, but if you seperate Church and State there is no legal reason why homosexuals can not marry. They deserve the same rights under law as everyone else.
Personally, I think everyone should have a legal civil union, and then you can choose to include a religious marriage ceremony if you want to. If a faith group doesn't want to perform ceremonies for gay couples fine, but I don't understand why that should be the deciding factor on giving them the legal protections and benefits (and there are a bunch) that are exclusively provided to married couples. By the way--my pastor is gay and our denomination performs gay marriages.
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Old 10-24-2011, 12:23 PM
 
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what do people think we should do? put yourself in my shoes and tell me what youd do?

I think you should move to New York, marry who you like, and enjoy life.
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Old 10-24-2011, 12:25 PM
 
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If it makes you feel any better most people your age are not indoctrinated to hate gays. They're far more mature about natural variations in human sexuality.
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Old 10-24-2011, 12:27 PM
 
Location: SW Kansas
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Personally, I think everyone should have a legal civil union, and then you can choose to include a religious marriage ceremony if you want to. If a faith group doesn't want to perform ceremonies for gay couples fine, but I don't understand why that should be the deciding factor on giving them the legal protections and benefits (and there are a bunch) that are exclusively provided to married couples. By the way--my pastor is gay and our denomination performs gay marriages.
We do have a civil union included in the religious one, don't we? I mean, I had to go to the court house for a marriage license, then had to sign in following the religious service. I think that's great that your denomination performs gay marriages! We've had several gay pastors (Priests) too, but the Roman Catholic Church does not, nor probably ever will, recognize gay marriage. But, God gave us free will - even over Church rule
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