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I was under the impression that the U.N Charter stated that people have the right to their own consciousness and that it is illegal to hold people as "Prisoners of conscious" to that end, why is it then illegal in Europe's liberal democracies to question the number of dead in the holocaust? Is jailing someone for stating an opinion, making them a prisoner of consciousness?
Should people be jailed for questioning historical events, regardless if they offer up evidence or not -- or even if they do and it seems to hold weight, should they simply be thrown in prison for an unpopular opinion?
My thoughts are that you should try to broaden your mind instead of having your narrow focus on neo-Nazi issues. Every post I have read from you is about race.
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My thoughts are that you should try to broaden your mind instead of having your narrow focus on neo-Nazi issues. Every post I have read from you is about race.
Amen. I think he would be much happier on a white power site.
Don't know you, or your posts, Johnfrom NY, but the folks here seem to feel you have "issues"--so I'm only going to answer your question, period. No, I don't think people should go to jail for their ideas. As long as their ideas are not accompanied by actions, they should be free to think anything they want to. There are an awful lot of "kooks" out there---and they can't hurt us unless we let them "get" to us....
They should not be jailed, but they should be ready to be justifiably ridiculed.
Ridiculed for ones thoughts ! I don't think so, I'm sure you know where that could lead to....jail would not be to far behind....ridiculed this year, jailed next year, hung the year after........
They should not be jailed, but they should be ready to be justifiably ridiculed.
Whether or not ridicule is really justified depends on the motive for ridicule. If a historian offers an unconventional interpretation of past events but offers only flimsy evidence for his views and appears to be jumping to conclusions, then ridicule may be an appropriate response. If his ideas are ridiculed merely because they are unconventional, however, then I don't see how ridicule is justified. The ideas of any historian or investigative writer should judged by the strength of the evidence he cites, and not by anything else. We don't improve our understanding of the past if we judge ideas about it only by how familiar or fashionable they are.
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Whether or not ridicule is really justified depends on the motive for ridicule. If a historian offers an unconventional interpretation of past events but offers only flimsy evidence for his views and appears to be jumping to conclusions, then ridicule may be an appropriate response. If his ideas are ridiculed merely because they are unconventional, however, then I don't see how ridicule is justified. The ideas of any historian or investigative writer should judged by the strength of the evidence he cites, and not by anything else. We don't improve our understanding of the past if we judge ideas about it only by how familiar or fashionable they are.
You are correct of course. My comments were specifically in the context of this post and in the context of the other similar posts by the OP.
Based on the fact no sources or links were provided, and his argument specifically refers to the Holocaust, I am assuming for now the OP is referring to Nazi apologist David Irving who denied the Holocaust ever existed at all.
As this man is a historian and could possibly sway lesser minds to buy his garbage, in this circumstance I think ridicule is more than appropriate.
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