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It occurs to me that the AGW "movement" shares many aspects of organized religion.
-Both use an unsupported assumption or fable to justify their existance.
-Both use terror and fear as a tool to drive members to their cause, and keep them "in line". In the case of religion, it's fear of hell and eternal damnation. AGW, its sunburn.
-Both demand acceptance of their basic foundation on faith. Both demand the unquestioning acceptance of that basic tennant, and attack, often vehimently, those with different views.
-Both support the persecution and ostricization of those that don't follow their belief system. Peer pressure is used as a tool.
-Both movements serve to enrich their leaders, at the expense of others, usually their followers. Religion instructs their followers to sacrifice and donate their income to the religion. The AGW movement serves to enrich their leadership by scams such as "carbon trading" or "cap and tax", which serves to drive up the prices it's followers pay for energy, and anything involving energy in it's production or transport.
-The leaders are seen as some near-mythical beings, above reproach by commoners.
-Both are convinced of the moral superiority of their positions.
My opinions only, of course. Please discuss.
Last edited by Toyman at Jewel Lake; 11-02-2011 at 10:49 AM..
There is no point to this thread other than to bash those you disagree with. If you wanted an intelligent discussion, you could describe what you disagree with instead of insinuations.
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake
-Both use terror and fear as a tool to drive members to their cause, and keep them "in line". In the case of religion, it's fear of hell and eternal damnation. AGW, its sunburn.
Sunburn isn't caused by warming. UV rays cause sunburn. No one knowledgeable has said warming will lead to errors.
There is no point to this thread other than to bash those you disagree with. If you wanted an intelligent discussion, you could describe what you disagree with instead of insinuations.
Sunburn isn't caused by warming. UV rays cause sunburn. No one knowledgeable has said warming will lead to errors.
My appoligies if I came across as bashing religion, I'm trying to come up with an apt comparison. And yes, I was being a bit facetious with the sunburn comment...but it's easier to say than rising sea levels, or the various other concerns.
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No one knowledgeable has said warming will lead to errors.
It occurs to me that the AGW "movement" shares many aspects of organized religion.
-Both use an unsupported assumption or fable to justify their existance.
-Both use terror and fear as a tool to drive members to their cause, and keep them "in line". In the case of religion, it's fear of hell and eternal damnation. AGW, its sunburn.
-Both demand acceptance of their basic foundation on faith. Both demand the unquestioning acceptance of that basic tennant, and attack, often vehimently, those with different views.
-Both support the persecution and ostricization of those that don't follow their belief system. Peer pressure is used as a tool.
-Both movements serve to enrich their leaders, at the expense of others, usually their followers. Religion instructs their followers to sacrifice and donate their income to the religion. The AGW movement serves to enrich their leadership by scams such as "carbon trading" or "cap and tax", which serves to drive up the prices it's followers pay for energy, and anything involving energy in it's production or transport.
-The leaders are seen as some near-mythical beings, above reproach by commoners.
My opinions only, of course. Please discuss.
Your opinion does not equal science and faith plays no part in the scientific method. Try again.
Also, cap and trade was a successful conservative market based approach to pollution reduction. When did it become a liberal scam?
The science and data of climate change can't be a religion because a religion is stagnant. It doesn't change. Science is always changing and revising based on new data. The comparison doesn't work.
The science and data of climate change can't be a religion because a religion is stagnant. It doesn't change. Science is always changing and revising based on new data. The comparison doesn't work.
some of us would argue that where climate science is concerned, it has morphed from science to religion for the very reason you point to. stagnation.
in science theories are to be challenged. in Climate science any challenge to orthodoxy is met with pitchfork and torch and the heretics are to be put out.
Your opinion does not equal science and faith plays no part in the scientific method. Try again.
Also, cap and trade was a successful conservative market based approach to pollution reduction. When did it become a liberal scam?
About the time many of the leaders of the AGW movement decided to enrich themselves with a "carbon trading" exchange. To say their motives were questionable is an understatement.
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The science and data of climate change can't be a religion because a religion is stagnant. It doesn't change. Science is always changing and revising based on new data. The comparison doesn't work.
You are quite correct, science is always changing theories and assumptions, especially as new data comes in that contradicts existing theories. That has been happening with regard to AGW...yet it's adherants just dig in further and demand that their position is right, that other data is wrong if it doesn't support their belief. Hence, the comparison to religion, rather than science.
some of us would argue that where climate science is concerned, it has morphed from science to religion for the very reason you point to. stagnation.
in science theories are to be challenged. in Climate science any challenge to orthodoxy is met with pitchfork and torch and the heretics are to be put out.
religion in its most medieval form.
Scientists are reviewing and revising climate data all the time. A very high profile skeptic of humans having any impact on climate change has just changed his mind after conducting his own study. Science and religion have nothing in common.
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