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Old 11-16-2011, 06:00 PM
 
Location: The Twilight Zone
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This. The debt has gone up with each new president. This is nothing new or unique to the current president.
Yes, but:

1) Did it go up this fast?
2) Have we ever reached $15,000,000,000,000 in debt before?
3) Didn't Obama campaign on reducing wasteful spending, reducing the deficit and reducing the debt?

Hence the thread.
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Old 11-16-2011, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Obama is the current POTUS, who just so happened to campaign on stopping Bush's insane spending.
Bush campaigned on ending all of the evils of the Clinton administration. How did that work out?

If you're just expressing frustration with politics as usual, then you and I are on the same page.

However, so long as your "points" are presented in a partisain fashion you just perpetuate the pissing contest.
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Old 11-16-2011, 06:06 PM
 
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Yes, but:

1) Did it go up this fast?
2) Have we ever reached $15,000,000,000,000 in debt before?
3) Didn't Obama campaign on reducing wasteful spending, reducing the deficit and reducing the debt?

Hence the thread.
Obama made a promise to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term (like he's really gonna get a second).


Obama will cut deficit in half FEB 2009 - YouTube
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Old 11-16-2011, 06:08 PM
 
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Bush campaigned on ending all of the evils of the Clinton administration. How did that work out?

If you're just expressing frustration with politics as usual, then you and I are on the same page.

However, so long as your "points" are presented in a partisain fashion you just perpetuate the pissing contest.
It's not partisan. I cut Bush up to. Again, you are choosing to see things the way you "want" to.

And we are not talking about the evils of Clinton. We are talking about the size of the debt and the current POTUS's campaign about it.
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Old 11-16-2011, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Bush spent what? 5 Trillion over 8 years... Obama did it in 4 years... and if you think about it... the public debt before Bush was 5 Trillion over 60 years... If you add Bush and deficit before him... Bush deficit rate was 0.6 Trillion/year.... before Bush was 0.08 Trillion/year... Obama is 1.25+ Trillion/year... Obama beat Bush and the entire history of the deficit combined!! He spent like a wild man... and what do we got to show for it.... jack and you-know-what... If Obama continues one more term... he would create a deficit equal or more than all the debts before him... which is what Bush did... the more things "change" the more they stay the same...
Your fallacy is that Obama "spent like a wild man."

One way to address this claim is to ask, where are the huge new federal programs? The Affordable Care Act has not yet kicked in; the stimulus, such as it was, is fading out; where is this big government surge?

Here’s one way to look at the federal budget, compare growth rates in spending from 2000 to 2007 and from 2007 to 2010:





“Income security†is unemployment insurance, food stamps, SSI, refundable tax credits — in short, the social safety net. Medicaid is a means-tested program that also serves as part of the safety net. Yes, spending in these areas has surged — because the economy is depressed, and lots of people are unemployed.

What we’re seeing isn’t some drastic expansion of Big Government; we’re seeing the government we already had, responding to a terrible economic slump.

Pointing out the Obama spending binge is a myth but below is what the Republicans on the deficit commission propose for taxes -- big tax breaks for the wealthy, tax increases for everyone else. Then, they'll complain more about Obama's deficit:

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Old 11-16-2011, 06:10 PM
 
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Obama made a promise to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term (like he's really gonna get a second).


Obama will cut deficit in half FEB 2009 - YouTube
There it is. THANK YOU!

Now why is it some people are refusing to talk about this very issue? Why do they refuse to acknowledge Obama's hypocrisy?
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Old 11-16-2011, 06:17 PM
 
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There it is. THANK YOU!

Now why is it some people are refusing to talk about this very issue? Why do they refuse to acknowledge Obama's hypocrisy?
Beats me!!

Maybe they are still waiting for that "Hopey/Changey" thing to kick in.
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Old 11-16-2011, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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There it is. THANK YOU!

Now why is it some people are refusing to talk about this very issue? Why do they refuse to acknowledge Obama's hypocrisy?
Doing so was depended upon the Bush tax-cuts expiring. How did that go over with the GOP?

Under White House projections, the 2009 inherited budget deficit of $1.3 trillion would be cut to $533 billion by fiscal year 2013, the end of the first term.

Anyone can post disingenuous partisan digs. Addressing low revenue, which caused deficits since 2001, requires seriousness.

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Old 11-16-2011, 06:30 PM
 
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Tax Cuts For Wealthy Americans Cost Treasury $11.6 Million Every Hour: Report
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Old 11-16-2011, 06:37 PM
 
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Doing so was depended upon the Bush tax-cuts expiring. How did that go over with the GOP?

Under White House projections, the 2009 inherited budget deficit of $1.3 trillion would be cut to $533 billion by fiscal year 2013, the end of the first term.

Anyone can post disingenuous partisan digs. Addressing low revenue, which caused deficits since 2001, requires seriousness.
Well, Obama could have eliminated them. He chose not to and even said it would not be good to raise taxes in a recession. Yes Obama said that.

Remember, the dems controlled everything for the first two years and even had a super majority within one of those years. Blaming republicans for Obama's policies is weak.
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