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Old 11-18-2011, 06:49 AM
 
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As always with threads on this topic, where would all those Americans go? It's not that countries abroad are waiting for them with open arms

Check the world forum, there are lots of Americans asking for information on potential relocation targets abroad...

Despite its obvious flaws the US is still an interesting country as one can feel that people might turn things around once they are really tired of their mess. A feeling one does not necessarily get in my country, where people don't believe in the future, but prefer to accept the chronically troubled situation of their country as their fate instead.
Doesn't matter -- look at the USA and all the millions of immigrants pouring over our borders, no one is greeting them with red carpet ceremonies, yet they keep coming.

Far more people arriving than leaving.
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Old 11-18-2011, 06:51 AM
 
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Why would we throw the baby out with the bathwater? America is a great place, it just needs some fine tuning.
Yes but since there are countries that are more socialist and more "progressive", it's something else making the USA so much more attractive to immigrants who bypass all those other countries to come here.

The fine tuning needs to be in the right direction.
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Old 11-18-2011, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Altoona, PA
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The term "freedom" is subjective anyway and is overused and misunderstood.

If you think that the US is the freest nation on earth, not only do you need to travel more, but you need to actually speak with people from other countries. Freedom cannot be measured by just the pursuit of material wealth, freedom to picket a soldier's funeral or freedom to carry a gun into a supermarket. Freedom is about truly being able to pursue what you enjoy doing, spending quality time with relatives and friends (rather than a slave to a job). Freedom is living in a society that for the most part, is tolerant and adopts a "live and let live" approach.

The US is one of (if the) least socially mobile nations in the developed world:

Graph of the Day: The Slow Decline of Income Mobility - Blog of the Century (http://botc.tcf.org/2011/11/graph-of-the-day-the-slow-decline-of-income-mobility.html - broken link)

I guess it doesn't matter that all those evil socialistic countries you hate have better income equality, lower trade deficits, generally happier and healthier people and a larger middle class.

I don't hate this country, but it needs to change. Demanding that groups of people who disagree with you to "leave" is ridiculous and borderline fascism; shame on you.
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Old 11-18-2011, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Altoona, PA
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Doesn't matter -- look at the USA and all the millions of immigrants pouring over our borders, no one is greeting them with red carpet ceremonies, yet they keep coming.

Far more people arriving than leaving.
From places like Mexico, sure. That may not last forever either, as Mexico will fully develop eventually and (hopefully) will take care of its poor and sick a lot better than we do.
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Old 11-18-2011, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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So, I'm 23. I get told I shouldn't expect a good salary right out of college, because I have no experience. Fine, I accept that. But then when I can't afford essential things like health insurance premiums (which I luckily can because of my employer-based group coverage, but talking in hypothetical here since most of my friends in similar paygrades are not offered insurance as part of their compensation), I'm somehow a loser who does not deserve care?

How does this jive?

This is the WHOLE NATION'S problem because it's so pervasive. Luckily, those of us who get sick in our 20s are a comparatively small group of people - but it absolutely happens and all the "personal responsibility" in the world is not able to help when you get sick right out of college or trade school.

I'm glad that your wife was able to get coverage that you were able to afford, but that's not the story I know to be true for myself or for many of my friends in the young adult cancer / illness community.

It's not my job to fight the callousness of the "I got mine, so *********" mentality of my fellow Americans, which is why I plan to take my talents elsewhere when I reach that level in my education a few years from now.

If you can't afford your premiums why is that someone else's problem? Try answering next time. Thanks
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Old 11-18-2011, 09:36 AM
 
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[quote=clb10;21749313]If America is such a bad place with all of its free-market capitalism, personal freedoms and "1%ers" then why aren't millions of Americans leaving to settle in progressive utopias like Cuba, North Korea, Zimbabwe, China, Iran and (once again) Mother Russia?[quote]

I love capitalism as do most liberals. What we don't like is unregulated capitalism.

If you don't believe capitalism doesn't need regulation, you are either blind, a fool or a trust fund baby.
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Old 11-18-2011, 10:54 AM
 
Location: USA
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Doesn't matter -- look at the USA and all the millions of immigrants pouring over our borders, no one is greeting them with red carpet ceremonies, yet they keep coming.

Far more people arriving than leaving.
Anymore, anyone who crosses the border is a complete moron. There are more jobs in Mexico than here.
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Old 11-18-2011, 02:39 PM
 
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Why would real Americans leave the best nation on Earth?

We aren't the ones complaining about free markets, property rights, sexual morality and Christian religious freedom.
Really? LOL...then what is that 3 hours of Limbaugh all about everyday? Answer: whining about everything (or the lack thereof) you stated in your post.
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Old 11-19-2011, 02:06 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, MD
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Conservatives telling liberals that they should just leave generally aren't that bright. Us liberals are winning, the demographics are moving toward our favor. The tea party are almost exclusively white and elderly. The country is becoming less white AND don't forget old people will generally die before younger people. It'd be stupid to leave when we can play the waiting game.
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Old 11-19-2011, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Altoona, PA
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If you can't afford your premiums why is that someone else's problem? Try answering next time. Thanks
Wrong. The fact that a perfectly decent and hard working person cannot even afford health insurance IS society's problem. This shouldn't fly in a so-called civilized society.

Your lack of empathy towards a fellow American is disappointing.
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