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Old 11-18-2011, 12:48 AM
 
Location: Texas
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You eat food or allow your child to eat food you know has artificial and processed ingredients in it, and you're the only one to blame for what happens to you.

My lunch was made at home and I had no money (or reason) to buy the nasty cafeteria food at any of my schools.
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:54 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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You see, I have the ability to wisely chose what I want to eat. My daughter, however, is too young to understand any of it. If I left her to her own devises, she would be on a pizza, ice cream, pudding, candy, and chocolate diet. She'd feel, act, and look accordingly. Others, in turn, would endless biatch about that way too young fat chick they just saw at the local burger joint and really put her on a way to being a healthy and happy person.

While she is at home, I have control over just how much crap she is allowed to put into her body. It's part of my job. It's part of being a responsible parent. I have the right and the obligation to make that choice for her until she is old enough.

On of the most frequent times when I lack such control is when she is at school. Here, her choices are between unhealthy crap and even unhealthier crap. Since I am not there, she will have to chose between all the unhealthy crap that is put in front of her. I try to teach her... But you know, she's just a kid and the temptation is simply too large.

She can have all the freedom to chose her own foods once she reaches a certain level of maturity. Until then, I would really appreciate if the school could at least try to be on my side and not purposely undercut any attempt to get children to eat healthy food.

Freedom of choice is all fine and dandy - you won't hear me oppose it when it comes to adults. This issue is about children, though. Perhaps you do, in fact, believe that government should not limit freedom of choice. Fine, then let me decide if my child is allowed to drive. Let me decide if she is allowed to drink alcohol. Let me decide if she is allowed to have sex with an adult. Let me decide if she is allowed to smoke. Remember, it's all about freedom of choice and government should not interfere with that, right?

Like the article said: "Food companies that produce frozen pizzas for schools, the salt industry and potato growers requested the changes, and some conservatives in Congress say the federal government shouldn't be telling children what to eat."

Do you really think these companies are interested in freedom of choice when they pressure (or surreptitiously pay) politicians to vote in their best interest? Or do you think that it may, perhaps, just be about money? Trying to limit salt content in processed food. Ohh, yeah, you're losing freedom of choice now...
So ruin life for everyone else because of what you want for your daughter? I'm glad I'm not in school anymore.

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Do you really think these companies are interested in freedom of choice when they pressure (or surreptitiously pay) politicians to vote in their best interest? Or do you think that it may, perhaps, just be about money? Trying to limit salt content in processed food. Ohh, yeah, you're losing freedom of choice now..
It can't be both? Money and freedom aren't always in competition or mutually exclusive.

And again, this starts a bad precedent down a slippery-slope..first its the schools, then its welfare recepients, hey, why stop there? If it's one thing the government loves and craves (both Democrats and Republicans) it's more power and control.
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:55 AM
 
Location: Murika
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My lunch was made at home and I had no money (or reason) to buy the nasty cafeteria food at any of my schools.
And that is most likely the best solution. Unfortunately, I get the feeling that most households these days have two working parents (if there are, in fact, two parents), that often lack the time to prepare lunch for their kids. They are concerned with seeing the kids off to school at 7:30 only to head off to work themselves.
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:58 AM
 
Location: Murika
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So ruin life for everyone else because of what you want for your daughter? I'm glad I'm not in school anymore.
Reducing salt content and focusing on healthier food choices equals ruining someone's life? You have GOT to be kidding!

At the same time, it warrants labeling Pizza a vegetable? In what distorted universe?
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Old 11-18-2011, 01:01 AM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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Handmade pizza can be VERY healthy, and it's not all that hard to make if you have a bread machine or food processor to do the hard work of making the dough. Cafeteria workers could easily be trained to make it, and decent-tasting ones too. The sauce need not be anything other than a thin layer of tomato paste which provides vitamin C, plus put in a a little olive oil somewhere, mozzarella cheese has calcium and protein, and then you have different toppings for different tastes, ranging from plain cheese to loaded with the works. Also there's nothing wrong with limited meat on it, especially unprocessed such as hamburger. Some of the healthiest, longest-lived people in the world eat lots of meat.
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Old 11-18-2011, 01:01 AM
 
Location: Murika
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It can't be both? Money and freedom aren't always in competition or mutually exclusive.
So, you are thinking that the pizza maker, the salt company, and the potato growers are equally interested in freedom of choice? I hate to break it to you, but I think they are interested in one thing only: Selling their products.

And because the feared that reducing such a large customer basis would negatively impact the bottom line, they found the right suckers to take their position. In the name of choice, of course.
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Old 11-18-2011, 01:02 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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Reducing salt content and focusing on healthier food choices equals ruining someone's life? You have GOT to be kidding!

At the same time, it warrants labeling Pizza a vegetable? In what distorted universe?
Isn't tomato a fruit? What do you think tomato paste is made out of? Sure, it is greatly processed now, but there is still some tomato in it. So I guess it wouldn't add to a "healthy" serving of vegetables.
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Old 11-18-2011, 01:03 AM
 
Location: Murika
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Handmade pizza can be VERY healthy, and it's not all that hard to make if you have a bread machine or food processor to do the hard work of making the dough. Cafeteria workers could easily be trained to make it, and decent-tasting ones too. The sauce need not be anything other than a thin layer of tomato paste which provides vitamin C plus a bit of olive oil, mozzarella cheese has calcium and protein, and then you have different toppings for different tastes, ranging from plain cheese to loaded with the works. Also there's nothing wrong with limited meat on it, especially unprocessed such as hamburger. Some of the healthiest, longest-lived people in the world eat lots of meat.
Sure. And it's obviously cost effective and can easily be made on such a large scale.
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Old 11-18-2011, 01:04 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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So, you are thinking that the pizza maker, the salt company, and the potato growers are equally interested in freedom of choice? I hate to break it to you, but I think they are interested in one thing only: Selling their products.

And because the feared that reducing such a large customer basis would negatively impact the bottom line, they found the right suckers to take their position. In the name of choice, of course.
Of course, all corporations are evil!! I'm really tired of hearing that bs.
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Old 11-18-2011, 01:05 AM
 
Location: Murika
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Isn't tomato a fruit? What do you think tomato paste is made out of? Sure, it is greatly processed now, but there is still some tomato in it. So I guess it wouldn't add to a "healthy" serving of vegetables.
It is indeed. Remember, I am not the one trying to argue that a thin layer of mashed tomatoes with some herbs and spices transforms an entire pizza into a vegetable.... That's the task of some highly paid people who cater to business interests.
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