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Old 11-17-2011, 11:19 PM
 
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We could do it as citizens. We don't have to wait on our elected officials to do it for us.

We just need 3/4 of the states to vote on amending the constitution. There needs to be campaign finance reform and deficit reform. Money needs to get out of Washington, and the federal government must spend within its means. These amendements would make our republic more sound.

The issue is that most Americans don't know about this. They rather camp out and make signs in frustration.

Here is a video explaining what a constitutional convention is.




Lawrence Lessig on the role of a Constitutional Convention - YouTube
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Old 11-17-2011, 11:42 PM
 
Location: Texas State Fair
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You really think three quarters of the states are going to agree to a Constitutional convention? And agree on the purpose? And who do you think is going to chair (control) that Convention?
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Old 11-18-2011, 02:24 AM
 
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The only reason that we have the Constitution that we have is because it crafted by a relatively small group of leading citizens who met in secret and whose purpose nobody was aware of.
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Old 11-18-2011, 02:30 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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The only reason to convene a constitutional convention after 77 years of ignoring it is to create a 'new compact' to enshrine the corruption.
Senate Report 93-549
War and Emergency Powers Acts
"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years (as of the report 1933-1973), freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency."
Since 1933, the constitutional limitations on the government have been abridged by EXPEDIENCY.

That millions of Americans are ignorant of that fact, leads one to FEAR any attempt to "change the rules" in the midst of an ever deepening emergency.
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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You really think three quarters of the states are going to agree to a Constitutional convention? And agree on the purpose? And who do you think is going to chair (control) that Convention?
2/3 of States, not 3/4 of States.

You need 34 States to call a Convention.

My guess is that State legislators are not going to call a Convention, and I would not support it and neither would the majority of people....

....unless there were specific guarantees.

Your State legislators would rather die than call a Convention, so you'll have to call one through State-wide referendum.

The ballot language would have to state explicitly in no uncertain terms exactly what it is you intend to do, because no one is going to give you a carte blanche.

If you want to amend the Constitution so that only those persons eligible to vote in an election may contribute to the campaign of a person or to a ballot issue, then you have my support, but if you're going to try to ram in free health care and free housing and free internet and free cell-phones and free iPods and other stupid nonsense, it's not going to happen.

By popular referendum, the best way is to amend your State Constitution to permit the election by popular vote of candidates to represent your State at a Convention, and make sure the time period is lengthy, say 10 years.

If your goal is a Constitutional amendment that effectively is a Separation of Corporation and State, then I think you could realistically do that in a few years, if it was well-organized.

You would need 38 States (3/4) to get it passed, and again, since State legislators would rather die than bite the hand that feeds them, the amendment would also have to be ratified by popular referendum.

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The only reason that we have the Constitution that we have is because it crafted by a relatively small group of leading citizens who met in secret and whose purpose nobody was aware of.
That's true, but that's only relevant here to the extent that no one is going to allow another fast one to get pulled off.
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:27 PM
 
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Doesn't matter when we have judges who will 'interpret' it according to their own beliefs instead of what it actually says.
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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We could do it as citizens. We don't have to wait on our elected officials to do it for us.

We just need 3/4 of the states to vote on amending the constitution. There needs to be campaign finance reform and deficit reform. Money needs to get out of Washington, and the federal government must spend within its means. These amendements would make our republic more sound.

The issue is that most Americans don't know about this. They rather camp out and make signs in frustration.

Here is a video explaining what a constitutional convention is.




Lawrence Lessig on the role of a Constitutional Convention - YouTube
Have you not seen why I don't want to see a Constitutional Convention just to propose amendments to the Constitution? You do know what the group that met in Philadelphia in 1787 was called to do, don't you? They were called by the Congress to consider amendments to the Articles of Confederation and the first decision they made was to write a wholly new Constitution. The Articles didn't last long compared to our Constitution but I don't want to take a chance on a new one with all the liberals hanging around who might get on your group.

I agree with you as to the changes but just don't want to take a chance.
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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You really think three quarters of the states are going to agree to a Constitutional convention? And agree on the purpose? And who do you think is going to chair (control) that Convention?
According to those people who want this thing they have enough states that they only need 4 or so more. Evidently there are enough libs in state legislatures to get it done. Scary as hell, but seemingly true.
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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The only reason that we have the Constitution that we have is because it crafted by a relatively small group of leading citizens who met in secret and whose purpose nobody was aware of.
Hmmmmmm. Your story and mine don't seem to agree, at all. I know that the Congress called those people together to consider changes in the fairly unsuccessful Articles of Confederation and the first decision they made was to write a whole new document. Yep, I think that the Congress was aware of the meeting and who was involved in it.
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I thought when the GOP was taking over state legislatures nationwide we might actually get a convention but looks like that's not happening. I'm glad someone is bringing this up.

For the record I'm hoping for a revision to the constitution to end anchor babies not this finance campaign crap.
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