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Old 11-21-2011, 05:02 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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[quote=cmforte;21794522]It's laughable that you equate the US with Egypt.

No, I equate it with typical self-Righteous hypocrisy and the delusion they have the right to set standards in other countries.
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Old 11-21-2011, 05:09 AM
 
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I would guess that if they pepper spray a policeman in return they will get shot.
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Old 11-21-2011, 05:31 AM
 
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Look, whether or not you support the protesters, understand that law enforcement officers have a tendency to enforce the law - the protesters in this case interlinked their arms specifically so the police couldn't just arrest them one by one - the pepper spray was just the method used to hasten their dispersal and arrest.

You don't have to like it, but understand that when the cops are called to enforce the law, they're probably going to enforce the law.
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Old 11-21-2011, 05:33 AM
 
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Yep , when a cop tells ya to do something you do it. Or pay the consequences.
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Old 11-21-2011, 05:43 AM
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The protestors were blocking access... you can protest as long as your not blocking access. The police did their job in an attempt to clear the pathway.

People complaining that the police are using to much force... think about that the next time some guy tries to maul your wife/sister/daughter/girlfriend... I guess they should just sit back and let anarchy rule?

The police did their job.. anyone who thinks they shouldnt have to pay any type of consequences for what they do are idiots and deserve worse.

I'm tired of hearing this self riteous stuff from people that feel they are above the law based on what they want to protest and or rail against. Obey the law while your protesting...
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Old 11-21-2011, 05:49 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Yes, pepper spray is utterly ridiculous. They should have been using Browning 50 cals.
Yeah, they should have hooked up one and sprayed the Tea Party Protests too.

You know, to be fair if you want to murder all people expressing a constitutional right.
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Old 11-21-2011, 06:11 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Difficult concept?

Like the concept of 'innocent until proven guilty' that so many of the self-Righteous are incapable of understanding?

After all, even Saddam wasn't punished until after the trial


Innocent until proven guilty of what? Failure to obey a police order to disperse? I didn't know that one had to go to trial and be convicted to be pepper sprayed. deflection FAIL.
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Old 11-21-2011, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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And I'm concerned that too many who worship at the altar of St Ronnie still believe in his idea of a bloodbath being the way to end protest.

What next?

Shoot American citizens for walking on the wrong side of the street?

So the police are supposed to allow people to ignore their lawful orders? What next? Total chaos in the streets and around the country?
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Old 11-21-2011, 07:58 AM
 
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Yeah, they should have hooked up one and sprayed the Tea Party Protests too.

You know, to be fair if you want to murder all people expressing a constitutional right.
Unlike OWS, the tea party arent violent thugs and anarchists bent on terrorizing the general public
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Old 11-21-2011, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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UC Davis pepper-spraying raises questions about role of police - The Washington Post

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The police officer emerges from the margins of the scene, walks in front of a line of students on the ground with arms interlaced, and brandishes the can briefly in a gesture that feels both bored and theatrical, like someone on a low-budget television commercial displaying a miracle product or a magician holding the flowers he is about make disappear. He then proceeds to spray a thick stream of orange liquid into their faces. The crowd surrounding the students erupts in cries of “shame, shame,” questioning the police about whom they are protecting.

The spraying is slow and deliberate, one face after another, down the line. It is the multiple victims that makes it so chilling, recalling the mechanization of violence during the 20th century. Pepper spray, of course, isn’t meant to be lethal, and it was deployed during an effort to enforce university policy rather than a state-sanctioned campaign of violence. But the apparent absence of empathy from the police officer, applying a toxic chemical to humans as if they were garden pests, is shocking. Even more so because it is a university police officer.
Why "Even more so because it is a university police officer?" Because far more than local or state police, college cops are actually viewed as a student's friend. They are there primarily to protect the students. To enforce laws - absolutely. To arrest as required - absolutely. But these actions are taken with the ultimate goal of ensuring the safety of everyone within the campus community, and that certainly includes members of the campus community engaged in protests.

So, what are the official regulations governing the conduct of University of California police officers? Here are two excerpts from the Universitywide Police Policies and Administrative Procedures manual for the University of California Police:

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Chapter 8 - USE OF FORCE

CHEMICAL AGENTS--TEAR GAS AND OLEORESIN CAPSICUM

812. Only authorized personnel may possess and maintain department issued oleoresin capsicum spray. Chemical agents are weapons used to minimize the potential for injury to officers, offenders, or other persons. They should be used only in situations where such force reasonably appears justified and necessary.
I don't see how people sitting on the campus quad could be viewed as having any "potential for injury to officers, offenders, or other persons" - they were just sitting there.

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902.3 Treatment of Arrestees and Suspects.

Arrestees and suspects shall be treated in a humane manner as provided by law. They shall not be subject to physical force except as required to subdue violence or ensure detention. No officer shall strike an arrestee or suspect except in self-defense, to prevent an escape, or to prevent injury to another person. No officer shall verbally abuse arrestees or suspects.
Worth repeating: Arrestees and suspects shall be treated in a humane manner as provided by law.

Also, the use of pepper spray is included in the chapter on the use of force. So when their procedures clearly state "They shall not be subject to physical force except as required to subdue violence or ensure detention", that applies to the use of chemical weapons.

1. There was NO violence on the part of the protesters.

2. There was NO attempt to flee - they were just sitting there. To "ensure detention", all that was required - the humane treatment - was to have two officers pick up and remove each person. And son-of-a-gun, that's exactly what happened after the protesters had been sprayed ... each sprayed protester was removed by two officers each.

The pepper spraying was both unnecessary and against university police policy. Whether it was malicious is something to be determined.
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