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Old 11-21-2011, 08:37 AM
 
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UC Davis pepper-spraying raises questions about role of police - The Washington Post

Why "Even more so because it is a university police officer?" Because far more than local or state police, college cops are actually viewed as a student's friend. They are there primarily to protect the students. To enforce laws - absolutely. To arrest as required - absolutely. But these actions are taken with the ultimate goal of ensuring the safety of everyone within the campus community, and that certainly includes members of the campus community engaged in protests.

So, what are the official regulations governing the conduct of University of California police officers? Here are two excerpts from the Universitywide Police Policies and Administrative Procedures manual for the University of California Police:

I don't see how people sitting on the campus quad could be viewed as having any "potential for injury to officers, offenders, or other persons" - they were just sitting there.

Also,

Worth repeating: Arrestees and suspects shall be treated in a humane manner as provided by law.

Also, the use of pepper spray is included in the chapter on the use of force. So when their procedures clearly state "They shall not be subject to physical force except as required to subdue violence or ensure detention", that applies to the use of chemical weapons.

1. There was NO violence on the part of the protesters.

2. There was NO attempt to flee - they were just sitting there. To "ensure detention", all that was required - the humane treatment - was to have two officers pick up and remove each person. And son-of-a-gun, that's exactly what happened after the protesters had been sprayed ... each sprayed protester was removed by two officers each.

The pepper spraying was both unnecessary and against university police policy. Whether it was malicious is something to be determined.
The easy argument is that they were ordered to disperse these protest and having a bunch of students arm-locked with each other would make a confrontation any other way nearly impossible without hurting them. Tearing people apart from each other is far more likely to cause bodily injury then spraying them with pepper spray (something every officer has to go through in training that I know of).
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Old 11-21-2011, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Needed more hickory shampoo prior to pepper spray.

Tenderize, then marinate.
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Old 11-21-2011, 08:56 AM
 
Location: NJ/SC
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Apparently this is a difficult concept for some people to understand:

Obey the law and the police will not pepper spray you
Ah, can we say naive? It's called the first amendment, read about it.
You must have never stood up for something that you believed in and in this case you must believe it's ok for our government to be run by financial institutions.


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I can't even read any further down this thread because the ignorance is so rampant. Even on Facebook I see people posting jokes that the people protesting should get a job. A lot of those people protesting are veterans and a lot of them are senior citizens! There aren't many jobs these days, last I checked and that's not even what the protest is about. So frustrating that so many Americans don't have a clue and understand how our government works. For years our government has been run by financial institutions/wall street and we just happily (or unhappily) pay our taxes and go about our business. So now a bunch of people who do get it are standing up, speaking up and trying to change it for not just themselves but for all of us and the dumb, lazy people that don't have a clue are telling them to just get a job. Then they think it's funny that these same people trying to change it are treated badly, including sprayed in the face with pepper spray. I guess if change is made the jerks that think that's funny will still be happy to pay their taxes, and line the pockets of rich CEO's.
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Old 11-21-2011, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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Ah, can we say naive? It's called the first amendment, read about it.
The first amendment discusses the rights of the people to free religion, free speech, free assembly, free press, and free access to the government. Can you please tell us which of those protects the right of the people to threaten & intimidate the police into not doing their job?
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Old 11-21-2011, 09:07 AM
 
Location: World
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Police was doing their duty. I am sure that police must have warned the protesters about spray before using it.
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Old 11-21-2011, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Capital Hill
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Funny that the person who put up the video didn't include what lead up to the police having to pepper spray them. Pepper spray is far better than bullets.

All that was needed from that video was the first 33 seconds. All I got out of the rest of the video was: Shame on you and that it was 'their university'. Which brings up the point, if it's "their university" then they should damn well pay their student loans rather than ask for a free education.
ummm,....... She should consider herself lucky it wasn't bullets. If she was in a communist country or a muslim country, it would have been bullets.
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Old 11-21-2011, 09:09 AM
 
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For some of you this is sad, for other blood thirsty savages this is probably awesome as hell!

Enjoy either way!


Police pepper spraying and arresting students at UC Davis - YouTube
Well, we did not see what lead up to this, not a whole lot of context here. They did seem to have a lot of police there, I wonder why they did not just physically remove them.

I always though that sitting on your ass and refusing to leave a location was lame, and the last resort of protesters with nothing to say.
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Old 11-21-2011, 09:32 AM
 
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So, what are the official regulations governing the conduct of University of California police officers? Here are two excerpts from the Universitywide Police Policies and Administrative Procedures manual for the University of California Police:

I don't see how people sitting on the campus quad could be viewed as having any "potential for injury to officers, offenders, or other persons" - they were just sitting there.
We did not see any video before this action taken by the police. For all we know, there may have been previous action like this, and either the police or the students suffered injuries. It may be that the police don't want to see anyone else get injured, so they have a policy to just pepper spray people who are defiant and resisting the police. <shrug>
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Old 11-21-2011, 09:39 AM
 
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As evidenced by this thread the Left thinks that chaos and breaking laws are a right and the police have no right to uphold those laws because these anarchist wannabees think they have ALL of the rights whether they infringe on other people or not. That's typical "useful idiot" Commie thinking there.
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Old 11-21-2011, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Univ. of Calif., Davis police chief now on leave

Good.
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