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Old 11-21-2011, 12:41 PM
 
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They were sitting there, IN THE VIDEO. Go read about what led up to that moment. I posted a link in post 162, I think.
The thing is, WHEN the students were sitting, heads bowed, arms linked, posing no threat to the officers, that's when the police officers proceeded to spray them, point blank, in their faces, with a chemical. To stride, along the line, spraying them, in full control of the situation. The officers had control, the pepper-spraying then becomes punishment for not obeying. No matter how frustrated the officers were, they aren't supposed to punish people. They have the power to issue orders, and to arrest people who don't comply with those orders. They don't have the power to assault people who don't comply. And, from the multiple angles of the video, that is what appears to have happened. The police assaulted the protesters. Might they have been provoked? Yes. But when the police are given power, they are entrusted not to abuse that power, no matter how provoked.
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Old 11-21-2011, 12:49 PM
 
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For some of you this is sad, for other blood thirsty savages this is probably awesome as hell!

Enjoy either way!


Police pepper spraying and arresting students at UC Davis - YouTube
please quit grouping folks together with a large brush
I saw this and was sickened by it
I do not know how this happened
but having said that, I am still against violence of some of the people at these protests, it dose not matter who is acting out of bounds
who ever does it is wrong
why would you think anyone would enjoys this??!!
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Old 11-21-2011, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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This is going to cost the university a LOT of money.

And that jackass cop belongs in jail. He's obviously a threat to civil society.
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Old 11-21-2011, 12:52 PM
 
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The police are only the servants of the will of the people and the community. If the community didn't support them and want their service, they wouldn't last 5 minutes on the streets. They're not dumb, they wouldn't even show up. But the criminals would.
Maybe they overreacted with the pepper spray but they held their composure, kept calm, and avoided any escalation of confrontation by withdrawing when it was clear they had no alternative.
I'll give a little credit to the protestors, they kept their calm and made their point and won a psychological victory. If theres any legal action we'll have to see who was in the wrong.
But what were they protesting, what did they want? Free tuition? Screw them. I'm all for a good protest but you have to be protesting something.
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Old 11-21-2011, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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Keep supporting lawlessness and lack of respect for authority and you'll get pepper sprayed or even worse.
Fine. The victims will sue and they will win. They always do in cases where there's obviously police brutality taking place. And that means you'll be paying for their crimes through your tax dollars. Congratulations.
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Old 11-21-2011, 12:57 PM
 
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I was thinking that Penn State students would have dispersed the police and pepper sprayed THEM.
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Old 11-21-2011, 01:00 PM
 
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Fine. The victims will sue and they will win. They always do in cases where there's obviously police brutality taking place. And that means you'll be paying for their crimes through your tax dollars. Congratulations.

yep, thru tax $.
So whats funnier , protestors protesting in predominantly democrat cities , ringing up the bill for police overtime , eventualy causing their own prop taxes to go up. Or democratic voting union cops beating other democrats?

Humm, there both so funny , I just cant make up my mind.
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Old 11-21-2011, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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yep, thru tax $.
So whats funnier , protestors protesting in predominantly democrat cities , ringing up the bill for police overtime , eventualy causing their own prop taxes to go up. Or democratic voting union cops beating other democrats?

Humm, there both so funny , I just cant make up my mind.
Interesting. I don't think either one is funny. Not sure why anyone would.
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Old 11-21-2011, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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The thing is, WHEN the students were sitting, heads bowed, arms linked, posing no threat to the officers, that's when the police officers proceeded to spray them, point blank, in their faces, with a chemical. To stride, along the line, spraying them, in full control of the situation. The officers had control, the pepper-spraying then becomes punishment for not obeying. No matter how frustrated the officers were, they aren't supposed to punish people. They have the power to issue orders, and to arrest people who don't comply with those orders. They don't have the power to assault people who don't comply. And, from the multiple angles of the video, that is what appears to have happened. The police assaulted the protesters. Might they have been provoked? Yes. But when the police are given power, they are entrusted not to abuse that power, no matter how provoked.
I found
another video of the event on YouTube.

This one provides a little more insight into what happened.

You can clearly see that the "protesters" were actively blocking the police from getting past them on that sidewalk.
The officer sprayed those who were on or right near the edge of that sidewalk, so that they could move them out of the way and proceed with their business.
You can see the police, as soon as there was a walkway available to the, took those they had arrested and walked on.

This doesn't appear to be any sort of brutality. And it's not punishment. It's an attempt to do their job, moving aside those who tried to stop them in a relatively harmless, in temporarily uncomfortable, manner. The police were sent to arrest some people. Some other people attempted to prevent that. They took appropriate action. What would you have the police do? Sit down & wait it out, hoping those preventing them from doing their job would tire & leave? Grab them and drag them away without the pepper spray (which many experts say is more likely to cause injury.)
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Old 11-21-2011, 01:42 PM
 
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I found
another video of the event on YouTube.

This one provides a little more insight into what happened.

You can clearly see that the "protesters" were actively blocking the police from getting past them on that sidewalk.
The officer sprayed those who were on or right near the edge of that sidewalk, so that they could move them out of the way and proceed with their business.
You can see the police, as soon as there was a walkway available to the, took those they had arrested and walked on.

This doesn't appear to be any sort of brutality. And it's not punishment. It's an attempt to do their job, moving aside those who tried to stop them in a relatively harmless, in temporarily uncomfortable, manner. The police were sent to arrest some people. Some other people attempted to prevent that. They took appropriate action. What would you have the police do? Sit down & wait it out, hoping those preventing them from doing their job would tire & leave? Grab them and drag them away without the pepper spray (which many experts say is more likely to cause injury.)


Really??? Start watching the footage at 0:29 where another officer sprayed protesters that were not even near the sidewalk. The officers approached them with pepper spray.
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