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Old 11-25-2011, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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You don't understand the logic of this. I don't have to prove any further statistics or proof. The homicide rate alone proves that there are murderers in any larger organization. How many exactly is irrelevant, whether there are 100 or 1000 murderers in the TP, who cares. The point is, there are some. The logic of the OWS critics is that anyone who supports that movement supports terrorists because it is a terrorist movement due to a few criminals in it. And that is clearly nonsense. Be grateful someone still dares to point out what is going wrong in your country
With the OWS we have video and police reports of their crimes. Provide just one for the Tea Party. And who ever said the TP was so large anyways? Mot Liberals try to de-legitimize it by saying it is really small and does not represent the majority of Americans. So where is your logic?

By the way: we have statistics for America's homicide rate. Where are the statistics for the Tea Party? The videos? The police reports?

And the number is significant if it is zero.
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Old 11-25-2011, 03:46 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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With the OWS we have video and police reports of their crimes. Provide just one for the Tea Party. And who ever said the TP was so large anyways? Mot Liberals try to de-legitimize it by saying it is really small and does not represent the majority of Americans. So where is your logic?

By the way: we have statistics for America's homicide rate. Where are the statistics for the Tea Party? The videos? The police reports?

And the number is significant if it is zero.
It's simply about extrapolation. I don't need to provide a single piece of proof, statistics does it for me. I don't know how many members and followers the TP has, but I assume millions
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Old 11-25-2011, 03:51 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Jeez, poop in the street, cost small business owners and their families and their kids a way to provide for themselves.

Bring down the economy.


Why wouldn't I be grateful?
That's ridiculous. You site a few examples of negative behavior of individuals in order to discredit a general criticism of the status quo? You have to look at the bigger picture.

It's a bit like with artists. Many of them get very engaged in organizations trying to help improve society and name societal and other problems. But all conservative people do is try and find flaws in individuals (as if artists had ever claimed to be perfect), thinking that would discredit their criticism and work, but it doesn't.
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Old 11-25-2011, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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It's simply about extrapolation. I don't need to provide a single piece of proof, statistics does it for me. I don't know how many members and followers the TP has, but I assume millions
Yet you have cited exactly zero statistics.
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Old 11-25-2011, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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That's ridiculous. You site a few examples of negative behavior of individuals in order to discredit a general criticism of the status quo? You have to look at the bigger picture.

It's a bit like with artists. Many of them get very engaged in organizations trying to help improve society and name societal and other problems. But all conservative people do is try and find flaws in individuals (as if artists had ever claimed to be perfect), thinking that would discredit their criticism and work, but it doesn't.
A few?

*UPDATED* #OccupyWallStreet: The Rap Sheet, So Far - Big Government

Scroll down.

The Left cites a few hundred scattered around the country as some kind of popular, growing movement and their allies in the MSM repeat the narrative.
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Old 11-25-2011, 05:09 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Yet you have cited exactly zero statistics.
Gee, the US homicide rate is all over the web...
Murders who statistics - countries compared - NationMaster Crime
List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Curenntly it is about 5 per 100,000.
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Old 11-25-2011, 05:12 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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A few?

*UPDATED* #OccupyWallStreet: The Rap Sheet, So Far - Big Government

Scroll down.

The Left cites a few hundred scattered around the country as some kind of popular, growing movement and their allies in the MSM repeat the narrative.
So what, there are criminals and sickos in every organization. And hypocrites as well, in this care probably quite a number, which doesn't help their cause, but doesn't change the message, even if the messenger sucks
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Old 11-25-2011, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Finally some numbers!! Now can you provide the statistics for how many TP members are murderers or rapists as compared to the whole?
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Old 11-25-2011, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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That's ridiculous. You site a few examples of negative behavior of individuals in order to discredit a general criticism of the status quo? You have to look at the bigger picture.

It's a bit like with artists. Many of them get very engaged in organizations trying to help improve society and name societal and other problems. But all conservative people do is try and find flaws in individuals (as if artists had ever claimed to be perfect), thinking that would discredit their criticism and work, but it doesn't.
yes like Limbaugh is "perfect" he represents vitriol and hatred that has destroyed the US.
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Old 11-26-2011, 05:30 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Finally some numbers!! Now can you provide the statistics for how many TP members are murderers or rapists as compared to the whole?
TP is just a subset of society as a whole, so do the math yourself, there is a slight error margin, but it is neglect. So if there were 100,000 TP supporters, there would be 4 or 5 or 6 homicides among its members. But there are millions of TP supporters, so multiply the number accordingly... You can even cut the number in half if you are blue-eyed enough to think TP people are better than the average Still you end up with dozens of murderers... Not to mention other types of crime, for which the statistical rates are ten or even a hundred times higher.
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