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View Poll Results: Choose the Country to be Born in where you would be considered "Poor"
Iran 0 0%
North Korea 4 4.82%
Brazil 2 2.41%
Sudan 1 1.20%
United States 59 71.08%
Mexico 0 0%
UK 16 19.28%
Indonesia 0 0%
China 1 1.20%
Russia 0 0%
Voters: 83. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-19-2011, 06:43 PM
 
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We have the most lenient immigration laws of any developed country in the world.
Do you have any proof of this?
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Old 11-19-2011, 07:04 PM
 
Location: World
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A Ph.D. student in USA
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Old 11-19-2011, 07:21 PM
 
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Do you have any proof of this?
Fair question. I can't find one website with all of the information. Before doing graduate level work I thought about doing it in other countries, but I wanted somewhere that I could continue to live there after school. Almost any developed country will let you go there to study, but their standards are more more difficult to stay there. The U.S. just has a completely different standard for immigration than most other countries.

Ours is based more on a quota system and family status. Most European countries and Australia have a points based system. The points are all based on what you can do for their country. I think that is a good idea. I wish we would move in that direction.
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Old 11-19-2011, 07:24 PM
 
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It kind of depends where within the particular country, too. For instance, I could deal with rural poverty in the US, having already grown up for a while in those circumstances. But I would not want to be poor in a poor section of an American city, due to the extreme levels of violence and crime in a lot of those places.
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Old 11-19-2011, 07:26 PM
 
Location: southern california
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america bek american version of poor is nothing. when i got back from 5 rough years overseas.
i thought a flop house in SF mission district was a 5 star hotel.
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Old 11-19-2011, 07:27 PM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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Canada, Australia, New Zealand or the Nordic Countries.
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Old 11-19-2011, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Altoona, PA
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Do you actually think that they welcome people with zero skills or talents who will just suck up resources?
In those countries, it's a lot less likely that you'll end up that way as university is a lot cheaper or even paid for. It's a lot harder to slip through the cracks, unless you're a total dumbass, hell bent on screwing your life up.
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Old 11-19-2011, 11:22 PM
 
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Mexico, I like their woman.

Who, exactly, is "their woman"?
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Old 11-19-2011, 11:37 PM
 
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I meant to say the "poor" here in the USA have it easier than the middle class in the USA.

They live a worry free life, they never have to worry about work, responsibility, bills, taxes. They are given all the material comforts, many of the luxuries like free internet, free computers, free cable television, and of course the free cell phones and usually do their shopping at the mall while working people are buying used clothes at the Goodwill or garage sales.

<scratching head> Huh? What material comforts are they given, other than food stamps (which are intended to be supplemental, not total). Housing is not an entitlement, and it is difficult to get subsidized housing because demand far exceeds supply.

I don't have a television, but I sure could use free internet and a free computer...where do I sign up? No free cell phones in my state either. Shopping at the mall, surely you jest, I go to thrift stores looking for their half-price deals. Can't surf garage sales since I don't have a car. (I tried it once without a car and discovered you can't get to more than a few unless there's a cluster in the same neighborhood.)
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Old 11-19-2011, 11:45 PM
 
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Heck -- the "poor" in the USA have it harder than the working middle class in many cases.

I just watched a couple welfare queens at the check out with carts loaded, and saw them pull out their food cards to pay for over $500 each in food purchases, a whole lot of it either junk food or gourmet. Almost no working person in the USA has that kind of money for food in one shopping trip.

Here the "poor" get all their health care free, no co-pays or premiums, HUD houses can be over 2500 sq ft and over $2500 a month if one was renting, in addition to all the food stamps, they get WIC coupons, free babysitting at the Head Start center even if they don't work but prefer to spend their days laying in front of the television and someone else taking care of their kids. The "poor" are now given cell phones, have their utilities paid. They have it quite a lot better than the hardworking middle class.

Even bums in the USA carry around cell phones but expect for others to donate for their free meals and free rooms at the homeless shelters.

Childless adults generally don't qualify for Medicaid; some states cover those with incomes below 50% of poverty line.

HUD houses are sold to investors who then own and rent them out, I have no idea where I would go to rent a HUD house. I can't even get on the waiting list for Section 8.
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