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Yeah getting paid most of them under the table. Those employers who do hire them, need to be punished.
Don't bother telling me there are not getting paid under the table, when i know for fact they are.
The construction business is riddled with illegals getting paid under the table, just to save a buck, but their work sucks.
There may be a few who truly want to get ahead and work hard and become citizens the right way, the percentage is not good.
If these people truly want a better life, for real, and work hard for their family's then by gosh, why not come here the right way, as my ancestors had to, and many others on this forum, their ancestors also, who became citizens.
Most illegals who are here are sending their money back home to Mexico anyways.
Sure, but all that is not the fault of the illegal immigrants. Basically it is the fault of greedy Americans employing them. If they didn't, people wouldn't come.
And legal immigration is pretty much impossible for anyone these days who is not special, not just in the US but worldwide. It is rather paradox, despite more globalization than ever, permanent migration as such is getting harder and harder.
All the other countries are either Communist or underdeveloped. Okay, there is the UK, but if you are poor there that means you have to be surrounded by cockneys and chavs. That is worse than being poor in Mexico.
Nah. If you come from the trailer parks, barrios, or ghettos of the US, you at least have Thunderbird and St. Ides to dull the pain.
You think people like living in trailers, or housing projects for the poor where they are surrounded by crime, violence, fear and depression? You think they WANT their kids to grow up in that kid of environment? Of course not. Why do you think suicide among the poor is common?
As far as education, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. There are plenty of opportunities to learn to read, even adult education classes. We spend much more money on education but if they don't want to learn, should we whip them to force them?
A lot of people like living in trailers. I myself would chose a trailer over a housing project or luxury apartment any day, I would however like some space and land around it.
You or I might not want my kids to grow up surrounded by violence and in housing projects but then how do you explain the very high reproductive rates of the very poor here? Children in poverty are at an all time high, now an estimated third of children are born into welfare in some regions of the USA, more children are born into welfare than not. And that is in this contraceptive age where Planned Parenthood is in many of the schools and the children may not learn any math but they know how to put condoms on bananas. Abortion rates are sky high too -- so it's not as though these poor parents don't have a choice, but with a hundred and one contraception methods and sterilization choices, why are so many having baby after baby after baby? That's the surest way for them to remain in poverty.
As far as education, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. There are plenty of opportunities to learn to read, even adult education classes. We spend much more money on education but if they don't want to learn, should we whip them to force them?
Again, look to those countries where everyone learned to read, and try to learn from their success. Ask some questions. What are they doing that we are not doing? Why are the poor people in those countries more likely to come out of poverty, than in US. Why are the poor in those countries NOT having 6-7 kids? How come we have ghettos where the poor congregate, and they do not?
Indeed, but despite the mild temperatures the sunshine distribution over the year becomes more extreme the further north you go. Can be depressing in the winter...
"Mild" ?????? You have to be kidding.
Yesterday in Oslo: High 37, low 34. That's frozen tundra!!!!! Not "mild".
How come we have ghettos where the poor congregate, and they do not?
Well, let's not go overboard. The underprivileged do end up in bad neighborhoods, even in Scandinavia. They're not Compton, but despite attempts at sprucing them up, they're not overly pleasant places to live, either. I used to live right next to one of those neighborhoods. The individual apartments were actually great - nicely laid out, hardwood floors, huge window areas - but you couldn't leave your bicycle in the street, the alcoholics would hang out in the parks, the potheads would smell up the stairways. A lot of the young men would have nothing to do and just hang out. Nobody seemed to have a job. Not unsafe, just - not very nice.
And then there's the rural underprivileged - people who've given up on joining the workforce who buy a small house/old farm in a peripheral area, now they wont have to worry about a commute. Some of them thrive on nature and homegrown vegetables, some of them just - fossilize.
Well, let's not go overboard. The underprivileged do end up in bad neighborhoods, even in Scandinavia. They're not Compton, but despite attempts at sprucing them up, they're not overly pleasant places to live, either. I used to live right next to one of those neighborhoods. The individual apartments were actually great - nicely laid out, hardwood floors, huge window areas - but you couldn't leave your bicycle in the street, the alcoholics would hang out in the parks, the potheads would smell up the stairways. A lot of the young men would have nothing to do and just hang out. Nobody seemed to have a job. Not unsafe, just - not very nice.
OK, you have "safe, but not very nice because someone might steal your bicycle" compared to our slums where you get your head blown off for $5.00.
Looking at most of the poll choices the OP gave, it appears the OP believes America is best compared to third-world countries. Perhaps he doesn't think too highly of America?
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