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Old 09-07-2012, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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AND the Clinton administration repeatedly tried to warn the new Bush administration about Bin Laden....he didn't want to know!
false...see above(previous) post
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Old 09-07-2012, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Bin Laden declared war against us during the Clinton administration and made a first try and the twin towers then as well.

Clinton had Bin Laden twice at least and let him go. If Clinton had killed Bin Laden the times he had the chance to there would probably have been no War on Terror, no money spend and probably mostly none of our soldiers and allies killed.

Thank Bill Clinton for 911 folks.

Want links, look them up in the news all over google.
They had Osama Bin Laden and let him go after he declared war on us.

Bill Clinton let this cancer of Bin Laden survive and we later got the war on terror and 911.

Facts are facts folks.
Don't give Bill Clinton too many pats on the back.
He may have loved BJs from young girls in the White House, but he sure didn't fulfill his duty as President to protect this country IMO.
Actually it reverts to U.S. forces being inserted into the Middle East during the 1991 Gulf War to liberate Kuwait from Iraqi occupation. Osama offered his services and forces to Saudi Arabia and was rebuffed in favor of Western support.

Bill Clinton elected not to authorize a kill mission due to political considerations.
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Old 09-07-2012, 09:35 AM
 
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false...see above(previous) post
Richard Clarke writes about the attempts to warn Bush and his administration about bin Laden. The Bush administration focused instead on Saddam Hussein.

I don't blame Bush or Clinton for 911. I blame the terrorists.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. If Clinton had known that bin Laden would be involved in a tragic attack on the World Trade Center that cost thousands of lives, then he would have certainly taken the opportunity to kill him. But Clinton didn't know what bin Laden would do, he only knew what bin Laden had done or was suspected of having done. And he had political considerations to consider.

If Bush had known how dangerous bin Laden was, he would have acted to contain that danger. He didn't know, and the people he brought into his administration were often associated with his father's administration, when Saddam Hussein was a primary threat. The world had changed, and that fact was brought home to Bush when the attacks of September 11th occurred.

I wish we had people who could see into the future, and tell us who and where the source of future dangers are, and how we could prevent tragedies.

We don't though. We just have to hope we can learn from our mistakes.
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Old 09-07-2012, 12:17 PM
 
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not quite what you think

they were told that alq was CONTINUING to THREATEN an attack..not knowing when, what, or where

Richard A. Clarke, former chief counter-terrorism adviser, discusses US strategy in dealing with islamic terrorists:

RICHARD CLARKE: Actually, I've got about seven points, let me just go through them quickly. Um, the first point, I think the overall point is, there was no plan on Al Qaeda that was passed from the Clinton administration to the Bush administration.

Second point is that the Clinton administration had a strategy in place, effectively dating from 1998. And there were a number of issues on the table since 1998. And they remained on the table when that administration went out of office -- issues like aiding the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, changing our Pakistan policy -- uh, changing our policy toward Uzbekistan. And in January 2001, the incoming Bush administration was briefed on the existing strategy. They were also briefed on these series of issues that had not been decided on in a couple of years.

And the third point is the Bush administration decided then, you know, in late January, to do two things. One, vigorously pursue the existing policy, including all of the lethal covert action findings, which we've now made public to some extent.

And the point is, while this big review was going on, there were still in effect, the lethal findings were still in effect. The second thing the administration decided to do is to initiate a process to look at those issues which had been on the table for a couple of years and get them decided.

So, point five, that process which was initiated in the first week in February, uh, decided in principle, uh in the spring to add to the existing Clinton strategy and to increase CIA resources, for example, for covert action, five-fold, to go after Al Qaeda.

The sixth point, the newly-appointed deputies -- and you had to remember, the deputies didn't get into office until late March, early April. The deputies then tasked the development of the implementation details, uh, of these new decisions that they were endorsing, and sending out to the principals.

Over the course of the summer -- last point -- they developed implementation details, the principals met at the end of the summer, approved them in their first meeting, changed the strategy by authorizing the increase in funding five-fold, changing the policy on Pakistan, changing the policy on Uzbekistan, changing the policy on the Northern Alliance assistance.

And then changed the strategy from one of rollback with Al Qaeda over the course of five years, which it had been, to a new strategy that called for the rapid elimination of Al Qaeda. That is in fact the timeline.

QUESTION: What is your response to the suggestion in the [Aug 12, 2002] Time [magazine] article that the Bush administration was unwilling to take on board the suggestions made in the Clinton administration because of animus against the -- general animus against the foreign policy?

CLARKE: I think if there was a general animus that clouded their vision, they might not have kept the same guy dealing with terrorism issue. This is the one issue where the National Security Council leadership decided continuity was important and kept the same guy around, the same team in place. That doesn't sound like animus against, uh, the previous team to me.

JIM ANGLE: You're saying that the Bush administration did not stop anything that the Clinton administration was doing while it was making these decisions, and by the end of the summer had increased money for covert action five-fold. Is that correct?

CLARKE: All of that's correct.

ANGLE: So, just to finish up if we could then, so what you're saying is that there was no -- one, there was no plan; two, there was no delay; and that actually the first changes since October of '98 were made in the spring months just after the administration came into office?

CLARKE: You got it. That's right.


Richard A. Clarke
Former chief counter-terrorism adviser
August, 2002
Excellent post. With your permission I will use it as needed.
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Old 09-07-2012, 01:31 PM
 
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Excellent post. With your permission I will use it as needed.
You should also use his source - which is a right-wing website that attempted to discredit Clarke when his book came out and the neo-cons considered him a traitor to have revealed the truth he had been ordered to cover up. Read Clarke's book... or check out Condoleeza Rice's testimony.
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Old 09-07-2012, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Clinton was the one who did nothing but talk as the terrorists attacked the twin towers, the USS Cole and the American Embassy.. Clinton the talker and the do nothing kind of guy.
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Old 09-07-2012, 01:39 PM
 
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And it was the Clinton administration talking for years about the weapons of mass destruction and Clinton talked and talked and talked about it.. The UN inspectors were not allowed to go in.. Clinton said there was Weapons of Mass Destruction but how the dems who went after Bush have no memory on that.. the liars.. And they voted for the war .. they back pedal because they have no CHARACTER!
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Old 09-07-2012, 02:04 PM
 
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You should also use his source - which is a right-wing website that attempted to discredit Clarke when his book came out and the neo-cons considered him a traitor to have revealed the truth he had been ordered to cover up. Read Clarke's book... or check out Condoleeza Rice's testimony.
Are you saying the quotes from Clarke are lies?
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Old 09-07-2012, 02:05 PM
 
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Best Clinton moment ever.


Clinton Kicks the Crap out of Fox News Part 2 - YouTube
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Old 09-07-2012, 02:12 PM
 
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Are you saying the quotes from Clarke are lies?
No. The 2002 quotes are about terrorism. Not about bin Laden. And Clarke was working for the Bush administration at the time. When your boss tells you to hold a press conference and talk nicely about him, that's what you do.
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