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Let's see how you and the police feel when each of those students wins $1 million settlement.
The use of pepper spray on peaceful protesters should be considered torture. And if it's not torture, it's at least an assault.
It's neither. You may have been thinking of battery as opposed to assault though it would be no more accurate than your attempts to dramatize the situation.
Given the milquetoast nature of the administration of California universities I wouldn't be at all surprised if they rewarded the lawlessness of the protestors with pretrial settlements. Sadly financial compensation in your state has little to do with justice or reality and everything to do with appeasement and perceived public perception.
With regard to your absurd assertion that the protestors were peaceful the protestors ceased being peaceful when they opted to violate multiple laws. At best you could categorize them as non-violent though once they opted to pursue illegal means to push their point dealing with them on the presumption that they would continue to refrain from violence would have been foolish.
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Actually, it doesn't matter how much warning they gave. Pepper spray shouldn't be used on peaceful protesters. The cops would have been better off ignoring the circle kids, or at most simply unlinking them and arresting them, which is what police normally do.
Un-linking them would have a greater chance of hurting them than pepper spray.
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102.16 Failure to Comply with Directions of Official, or Resisting or Obstructing Official. Failure to identify oneself to, or comply with the directions of, a University official or other public official acting in the performance of his/her duties while on University property or at official University functions; or resisting or obstructing such officials in the performance of or the attempt to perform their duties.
So you don't believe income inequality doesn't cause a host of problems?
Do you not believe individuals have the ability to improve their position in life and better themselves? If not, why do you hold such a low opinion of an individuals potential for self betterment?
And if the police warned you repeatedly on video that if the posters in this thread didn't refrain from posting they'd shoot all of you, this justifies them?
This thread is an excellent object lesson. Grand plans of schooling whom overseas over a 'democracy' they won't defend, or lead by example, at home. Too bad Monty Python isn't around anymore.
In case you missed it...
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102.16 Failure to Comply with Directions of Official, or Resisting or Obstructing Official. Failure to identify oneself to, or comply with the directions of, a University official or other public official acting in the performance of his/her duties while on University property or at official University functions; or resisting or obstructing such officials in the performance of or the attempt to perform their duties.
Not only this, but I heard the protesters surrounded locked hands and surrounded cops and closed in at one point.
I would think doing that to the police risks a bullet between the eyes IMO.
You didn't hear them screaming "we'll let you go, if you let them go" to the police?
Considering that the cop with the spray stepped right over their circle, I'd say that they weren't blocking much of anything. And frankly, there was little chance of injuring anyone had they used the usual police tactic of simply grabbing and separating the kids - and they also wouldn't face the widespread condemnation and escalation of protests had they simply acted as cops are supposed to.
So we're not a nation of laws, we're a nation of mob rule. Gotcha.
So you don't believe income inequality doesn't cause a host of problems?
It's not serious enough to break laws over. Besides, I don't believe in "income inequality." There is an income disparity between the rich and the poor, but so what? This is America. It's a free country. People have the right to get and be rich and to be able to hold on their wealth if they want to. It is not the government's job to legislate "income equality".
I heard about the cops giving warning the day after this happened.. but the Liberal media won't show it.. They want to egg on these idiots because they want to see America in Flames (For what reason I have no clue)...
Cops called to remove tents from occupy camp because it's outlawed...
Occupy people try to stop Cops
Cops arrest them
Cops try to leave with arrested people
Rest of protestors try to stop cops from leaving Chanting "Let them go or you can't go"
Cops fear for their safety.. start warning Protestors on the ground and in the area they will be sprayed if they don't comply
They don't leave
They get sprayed.
But I don't understand. Why did they get sprayed?
(rinse and repeat but next time with much more sorrow in the voice and eventually break out into a crying mess that makes the Crying Game look like Arnold on steroids)
Hypothetical Police to hypothetical citizen exercising a Constitutional Freedom: "Sir, Madam, Please stop exercising your rights or I'm terribly afraid I'm going to have to shoot you. Thank you ever so kindly."
IOW, who gives a hoot how "polite" the cops were? Just because they tell them nicely that they're about to do something illegal doesn't make it any less illegal. You're kidding me, right? The chancellor had ordered all the tents removed because overnight camping on campus was dangerous and unsanitary (since there were no open buildings they could use the facilities in). The chancellor then asked campus police to assist in accomplishing this. And that's ALL the chancellor asked them to do.
By the time you see these videos every tent had been dismantled and removed.
What else were the police supposed to do at that point? How about leave? That is entirely untrue. The cop who sprayed those kids stepped right over them, turned around and then proceeded to spray them. Every single freaking one of them could have stepped over the seated kids and just walked away. No, the orders were against the law. They weren't blocking anyone. One more time, with emphasis: The guy stepped over them to spray them. The police were well outside the law.
The school, the campus police, the county & the state are going to get their a$$es sued off. And rightfully so.
So I'm sure you'll retract now, right?
You must have missed this part where they signed on the dotted line when they became UC Davis students. Here, let me help you out...
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102.16 Failure to Comply with Directions of Official, or Resisting or Obstructing Official. Failure to identify oneself to, or comply with the directions of, a University official or other public official acting in the performance of his/her duties while on University property or at official University functions; or resisting or obstructing such officials in the performance of or the attempt to perform their duties.
Who said that? Point it out to us please. 1. No, they aren't allowed "to use the level of force necessary to accomplish their duties." They're only allowed to use force if there is a compelling state interest in doing so, "by balancing “the gravity of the intrusion on the individual against the government's need for that intrusion.” Miller, 340 F.3d at 964," which requires a burden not present here.
2. The police used excessive force and they did cause injuries. Students were hospitalized. At least one student was coughing up blood for hours after-the-fact. Nor does your inability to read and comprehend the case law make your point. Oh goody, another alleged law enforcement officer who doesn't understand or abide by the law. Just what we need. Thank g-d you don't live anywhere near me. Yes? And so? Your point is?
Has anyone said the students weren't blocking the sidewalk? The "so what" is that it completely destroys the cops' allegation that they were somehow "trapped" by the students and in some sort of fear of not being "able" to leave the circle. You see, there's video evidence that leaving the circle was as easy as simply stepping over the kids on the ground. Who said it wasn't? It may very well have been.
One. More. Time.
THE POLICE USED EXCESSIVE FORCE IN VIOLATION OF THE STUDENTS' 4TH AMENDMENT RIGHTS, EVEN IF THE STUDENTS WERE IN VIOLATION OF ANY LAW WHILE SITTING THERE.
That's what you call excessive force? What other means should they have used? They have batons, bean-bag guns, tazers, stun-grenades, K-9s, 9 mm's, Swat, The National Guard, The Army and, oh yeah, pepper spray. This should be good...
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