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Old 11-30-2011, 08:15 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Well there was a thread on this a few days ago. Disappeared to page 2 and beyond pretty quick.
Seems folks either don't care or feel that government is "protecting them" even more.
More important matters at hand....

You DO know there is a video of someone in England being rude on public transport???

Most Americans LIKE more government and LIKE to be controlled,as long as they don't personally have to be affected by it.
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Old 11-30-2011, 08:18 AM
 
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I'll ask again. Can somebody point out the language in this bill, the specific provision, that enables what is claimed by the OP? I don't really have time to read through the linked 682 page document.
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Old 11-30-2011, 08:20 AM
 
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Would you kindly point out the language in this bill, the specific provision, that enables what you claim? I don't really have time to read through the 682 page document you linked.
section 1031 ......... and this one has passed kiddos - yay!

veto proof majority in the house and not that far from it in the senate ...... needs to be vetoed asap though

here is a fun quote from Lindsay Graham on the floor

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Sen. Lindsey Graham said about it on the Senate floor: “1031, the statement of authority to detain, does apply to American citizens and it designates the world as the battlefield, including the homeland.”
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Old 11-30-2011, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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section 1031 ......... and this one has passed kiddos - yay!

veto proof majority in the house and not that far from it in the senate ...... needs to be vetoed asap though

here is a fun quote from Lindsay Graham on the floor
not quite the consipracy the OP thinks it is

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SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.

(a) Custody Pending Disposition Under Law of War- (1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) in military custody pending disposition under the law of war.

(2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined--

(A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and (B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.

(3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR- For purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a person under the law of war has the meaning given in section 1031(c), except that no transfer otherwise described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be made unless consistent with the requirements of section 1033.

(4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.

(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens- (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States. (c) Implementation Procedures-...
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Old 11-30-2011, 08:49 AM
 
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Funny that both those who support and oppose this provision believe it does.

Detainee detention | The Salt Lake Tribune
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Old 11-30-2011, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Funny that both those who support and oppose this provision believe it does.

Detainee detention | The Salt Lake Tribune
I think most people (and especially in the congress) have proven to have the capacity to read no more than one or two pages. Remember, 2000 pages for health care reform was "too much", 682 pages for this one... I'm sure has people draw their own conclusions instead (as convenient, that is).
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Old 11-30-2011, 08:58 AM
 
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I think most people (and especially in the congress) have proven to have the capacity to read no more than one or two pages. Remember, 2000 pages for health care reform was "too much", 682 pages for this one... I'm sure has people draw their own conclusions instead (as convenient, that is).
You are of course including Obama in that...he opposes the provision too.
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Old 11-30-2011, 09:01 AM
 
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Holy Posse Commitatus! This has to be stopped dead in it's tracks! Red alert!!
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Old 11-30-2011, 09:01 AM
 
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You are of course including Obama in that...he opposes the provision too.
Why does he oppose that? Do you support it?
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Old 11-30-2011, 09:12 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Why does he oppose that?
Muddies the waters between military and civilian laws.

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Do you support it?
No,I like the Constitution.
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