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Old 11-29-2011, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by sammbriggs View Post
good, wisconsinites can vote out the evil walker at the next election and they can welcome in a pro-public union governor who will give the teachers, cops and firemen all they desire, courtesy of the taxpayer. if wisconsinites believe their public workers are entitled to better pay and pensions they can vote that way at the ballot.

personally i don't think that the incoming democrat will reverse walkers policies because he/she will look at the numbers and see that walker bravely undertook those measures out of necessity.

that is ofcourse if walker loses the election. i have a sneaky suspicion that as the economy deteriorates, wisconsinites will start to resent public sector unions
Once Walker made it so the the teachers unions could no longer dictate to the schools, they started to save millions of dollars.
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Old 11-29-2011, 12:22 PM
 
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A job lost is a job lost.

@JordanJP: Opinion articles can contain facts. # of jobs is not an opinion, although the writer may be expressing an opinion about same.
If it's a public sector job lost, it's a net gain. That job doesn't pay taxes.
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Old 11-29-2011, 12:26 PM
 
Location: NC
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As long as Texas is paying for it, I could care less
Therein lies the problem Texas was relying on population growth to milk the stimulus for public education and public construction funds. Now that the Republicans in congress have taken that away Texas unemployment is on the rise.

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When you have lower unemployment, its much more difficult to create jobs.
I agree however in unemployment is rising in Wisconsin, and Texas rather then remaining constant where as it is falling in California.
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Old 11-29-2011, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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When you have lower unemployment, its much more difficult to create jobs.
Coincidentally, that was the case between Jan 2001 and Dec 2003, a span of three years over which unemployment rate was exceptionally low, but job losses in the private sector was exceptionally high (the economy lost 2.9 million jobs in that period). This is why looking at unemployment rate and nowhere else is akin to suffering with Ostrich Syndrome.

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But thats not why unemployment goes down even with jobs decreasing. Try again. (hint, Einstein above touched on it)
And while you suggested my post, you did so without understanding any of it. Unemployment rate can go down with jobs lost, something that happened in Wisconsin. I would rather see a growth in employment. You?
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Old 11-29-2011, 01:15 PM
 
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Wow. So we have:

1) Cherry picking of focusing on a single month here and there.
2) Looking at # of job gains\losses instead of looking at the rate relative to population
3) No seasonal adjustment

Really, when someone is being this dishonest it's pretty pathethic.

I mean anyone that knows anything about Wisconsin knows that they have a strong tourist seasonal economy like a number of more northern states and that they have more population than some states like that so rather than show the RATE....they just show total numbers to try to lie further.

I'm amazed how many people are falling for this "analysis". Idiocy, plain and simple.

If you don't like Walker then vote him out, but being dishonest about facts makes it look like you don't really care about Wisconsin enough to have an honest discourse about why you need a change.
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Old 11-29-2011, 01:17 PM
 
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Unions are spending hundreds of millions to retire Walker because their way of life is ending.
Yea, Walker's own way of life might be ending too.
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Old 11-29-2011, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Job numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics are facts, not opinions. The job losses in Wisconsin are facts.
Well, those facts aren't approved by the Kochs, so ...
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Old 11-29-2011, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Once Walker made it so the the teachers unions could no longer dictate to the schools, they started to save millions of dollars.
Nobody dictated anything. Note "bargaining" in the phrase "collective bargaining." Ironically, that's what Walker wanted, to dictate to the teachers.

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If it's a public sector job lost, it's a net gain. That job doesn't pay taxes.
Yup, we don't need school teacher, firemen, police, judges, prison guards, etc. Those aren't real jobs that produce any value, huh? Pssst, school teacher, firemen, police, judges and prison guards pay taxes too.
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Old 11-29-2011, 01:28 PM
 
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Even with your data, Walker has not produced even one of the 250 thousand jobs he promised during his campaign.
It's not my data, it's from BLS which is the same source for the original post.
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Old 11-29-2011, 01:28 PM
 
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Nobody dictated anything. Note "bargaining" in the phrase "collective bargaining." Ironically, that's what Walker wanted, to dictate to the teachers.

Yup, we don't need school teacher, firemen, police, judges, prison guards, etc. Those aren't real jobs that produce any value, huh? Pssst, school teacher, firemen, police, judges and prison guards pay taxes too.
Yeah, they pay taxes with recycled tax money. See, they get paid with TAX dollars so they pay their taxes with, yep, you guessed it, TAX dollars!
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