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So, your theory is that someone who had a nice paying job is going to stay home and not seek a job because they get a few hundred dollars unemployment insurance?
That defies logic.
If they were making $40 an hour, they didn't take a job paying $30 - not until they used up their unemployment handouts.
The unemployment has run out for millions of people, and now we see many more people working and the economy is getting great again. Good news too because this means there is no reason at all to extend that handout program.
If they were making $40 an hour, they didn't take a job paying $30 - not until they used up their unemployment handouts.
If that is the case, it speaks highly of you (if you'd do that, and I'm sure you would because you see that as a positive thing), or your friends, or people you associate with.
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It is patriotic to burst into tears when the nation adds jobs?
With Muslim, Commie, Nazi, Fascist, Stalinist, Socialist, Marxist, Anti-Christ, Kenyan, Terrorist Sympathizer, God-hater in office? You bet.
I certainly hope we can all agree this is a good thing. I don't know if its going to last long term, or if its a holiday hiring spike. But I am hopefully optomistic and trying to stay positive and hope, that something, anything, can light the fire to all of the cash thats sitting in the market.
It is positive, but it has also been seasonally adjusted so as to not reflect the holiday hiring so much.
Look, it's the same UE rate that economists have been using. Nobody's shifting the goalposts here. When the UE rate was at 5 percent under Bush, nobody was saying anything about the real unemployment rate back then, so let's just cut the crap.
When the unemployment rate was at 5 percent there were not anywhere near the number of people who were considered "not looking" compared to today.
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Nobody is saying that the economy is great right now. We still have a long way to go before it gets better. In fact, as an 'Obamabot' myself I would concede that this decline in unemployment might only be a temporary blip or, more likely, it has to do with seasonal employment changes (demand for employment is usually strongest this time of year). I'd also concede that the quality of the jobs is probably another issue. But if unemployment is declining, then that's a good thing. Stop hoping for America to fail just because your guy didn't win. Stop denying reality just because that reality doesn't prove your assumptions about economics correct.
Hoping for the economy to fail? Another believer of media driven lies.
I hope others understand there would be little difference in the unemployment rate if the other half of our one party system had their King instead of Obama.
Policy matters. Propping up the economy by printing money has never worked. All it does is extend the inevitable. After the holiday season we are in for bad times. The money supply was debased yet again. We are doomed as we repeat the same failures from previous history.
Prices are going up again and our money is purchasing less. Sooner or later people will wake up from this nightmare and get a clue.
If they were making $40 an hour, they didn't take a job paying $30 - not until they used up their unemployment handouts.
The unemployment has run out for millions of people, and now we see many more people working and the economy is getting great again. Good news too because this means there is no reason at all to extend that handout program.
You theory is predicated upon unemployment running out but it doesn't run out until Dec. 31.
Anyone can invent theories that fit their ideological bend but unless they back it up with evidence and facts, their theory is only an unsubstantiated theory, with no particular weight.
The unemployment rate dropping to 8.6 % is a sign the economy is picking up. Then there was news the other day about economic growth in 3 major sectors. Looks like we are on the right path. No need to change leadership in the White House
If that is the case, it speaks highly of you (if you'd do that, and I'm sure you would because you see that as a positive thing), or your friends, or people you associate with.
With Muslim, Commie, Nazi, Fascist, Stalinist, Socialist, Marxist, Anti-Christ, Kenyan, Terrorist Sympathizer, God-hater in office? You bet.
Not me as I've never been unemployed and I've grabbed up any job between my main kind of jobs. Often I've worked 2 jobs, and may be doing that again soon.
This great boost in employment and jobs is more the result of unemployment extensions coming to an end.
Ahhm, government most contracts work. If you think this bill expands government, it is up to you to prove how.
been proven many times
but what obama has is not a jobs bill
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and the establishment of ANOTHER GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENT (bigger government)
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SEC. 245. ESTABLISHMENT AND GENERAL AUTHORITY OF AIFA. (a) Establishment of AIFA- The American Infrastructure Financing Authority is established as a wholly owned Government corporation. (b) General Authority of AIFA- AIFA shall provide direct loans and loan guarantees to facilitate infrastructure projects that are both economically viable and of regional or national significance, and shall have such other authority, as provided in this Act.
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a government CORPORATION like a fannie/freddie on steriods
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another corporation:
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SECTION 284. ESTABLISHMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY BROADBAND CORPORATION.
Described as...
neither an agency nor establishment of the United States Government or the District of Columbia Government.
... yet its members are...
The following individuals, or their respective designees, shall serve as Federal members: (A) The Secretary of Commerce. (B) The Secretary of Homeland Security. (C) The Attorney General of the United States. (D) The Director of the Office of Management and Budget.
And the Sec. of Commerce picks the 11 non-federal members of the board. How can you NOT be an agency of the U.S. Government but have members of the administration as its board members?
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FRAUD, WASTE, and ABUSE:
SEC. 261. PROJECT REBUILD (a) Direct Appropriations.— There is appropriated, out of any money in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, $15,000,000,000, to remain available until September 30, 2014, for assistance to eligible entities including States and units of general local government (as such terms are defined in section 102 of the Housing and Community Development Act of 1974 (42U.S.C. 5302)), and qualified nonprofit organizations, businesses or consortia of eligible entities for the redevelopment of abandoned and foreclosed-upon properties and for the stabilization of affected neighborhoods.
this to bail out Freddie/Fannie in the rehabbing of homes that are "unmarketable" instead of leaving these to be auctioned "as is" and rehabbed through the private sector?
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Section 278 - Required collections for spectrum license fees.
The Commission would have the power to assess a user fee on almost any spectrum license holder, including commercial wireless, satellite and broadcast radio. Television broadcasters and public safety licensees are statutorily exempt from the user fee under the Communications Act of 1934.
These fees will be absorbed in costs to the customer - so basically this is a hidden tax on the poor and middleclass through cell phones, satellite services, etc
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the bill doesnt creat jobs, or ballance the budget
all obama's ANTI-jobs bill does is INCREASE the GOVERNMENT and INCREASE the DEBT, ..oh wait it does creat jobs....for LAWYERS
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Subtitle D is dubbed the “Fair Employment Opportunity Act of 2011”. This comprises Sections 371 thru 379.
The Enforcement in Sec. 375 seems to equate violations of this act to violating the Civil Rights Act
(a) Employers- It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer to--
(A) any provision stating or indicating that an individual's status as unemployed disqualifies the individual for any employment opportunity;
more fodder for lawyers
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the 2 billion+ dollar bailout of amtrac....page 31......more wasted money on failing companies
or is it 3 billion...no wait...6 billion..and 5 billion more......why do we pay a gas tax..???
over 40 billion going to the DOT
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Teacher Stabilization, Sections 202-215
Why does the teaching profession need "stabilization"? If I understand correctly the teaching industry has 50% less unemployment than most other sectors in our economy. How can this be interpreted as anything other than a payback to teacher's unions?
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out of the 447 billion only 80 billion goes to infrastructre:
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Infrastructure spending
$20 billion to modernize and renovate elementary and secondary schools
$5 billion for state grants to modernize and renovate community colleges
$2 billion for airport development grants
$27 billion for restoration of highways, passenger and freight rail, and port infrastructure
$2 billion for repair and upgrade of Amtrak railroad assets and infrastructure
$3 billion for new buses and for repairing rail and bus systems in urbanized areas
$6 billion to modernize existing guideway systems and bus facilities
$15 billion to redevelop abandoned and foreclosed housing properties and affected neighborhoods
That's $85B out of $447B or 20% of the bill's "investments".
Is this really a jobs plan?
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One does not have to dip very far into the bill to find trouble. Section 4 of the AJA imposes "Buy American" restrictions on the use of funds appropriated under this statute for work on public buildings. "[A]ll the iron, steel and manufactured goods" used on such projects are to be fabricated in the United States. --- The fatal problem with this form of jingoism is that, in the name of economic efficiency, it forces American taxpayers to pay more for less. That upside down logic may seem sensible to a die-hard Keynesian, but not to ordinary people who realize that deliberate overpayment for inferior goods makes no more sense in the public sector than in the private one.
Another problem in that section........
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It allows its legislative mandates to be waived when the head of the relevant federal agency finds that its enforcement is against the "public interest," including in hard to calculate cases where such deliberations increase project costs by 25 percent. The basic structure of the AJA thus uses large doses of administrative discretion to defang some of its most unrealistic commands. In so doing, it introduces what I have termed elsewhere the vice of government by waiver, where unbridled discretion creates uncertainty and breeds favoritism.
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This subtitle authorizes $15 billion in investments on rehabilitating and refurbishing hundreds of thousands of vacant and foreclosed homes and businesses.
wow a bail out of Freddie/Fannie in the rehabbing of homes that are "unmarketable" instead of leaving these to be auctioned "as is" and rehabbed through the private sector?
I didn't say the Stimulus didn't create or save (WTF?) any jobs. I said it was a failure. Why don't you divide the number of jobs created/saved by the total number of dollars doled out and tell us how much money per job created it tallies up to be. And then tell us if you can muster the ability to call the stimulus a success.
I'll give you a hint: It starts with $287 and ends with 000. (Yep, $287,000 PER JOB!)
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I would concede that this decline in unemployment might only be a temporary blip or, more likely, it has to do with seasonal employment changes (demand for employment is usually strongest this time of year). I'd also concede that the quality of the jobs is probably another issue. But if unemployment is declining, then that's a good thing. Stop hoping for America to fail just because your guy didn't win. Stop denying reality just because that reality doesn't prove your assumptions about economics correct.
