They really don't like anyone who isn't them (Representatives, illegal, fence)

[normalguy]

To all the liberals out there, here is why the Islamic world threatens our way
of life. Read the following post in response to a question by a Moslem
(it is being circulated on the blogosphere):

Anthem in Muslims Schools :: TheMajlis.net :: Journal Published by Mujlisul Ulama of SA

They will not salute the old glory or sing the national anthem, even if they
are American citizens. If we institute the draft, they will not fight if the war
is against Moslem nations. It seems that they are willing to take all the
benefits of democracy, freedom of speech and rule of law, but their
allegiance is only to Islam.

I was a fence-sitter, but the more I see what Islam is all about, the more
I think President Bush has done the right thing. I hope we elect a Republican
president in 2008 or a democrat who is not a sellout.

[bily4]

Interesting excerpt below. Seems to me there are more similarities between Muslims and Evangelicals than people may be aware of. They should get along just fine!


Muslims abhor many acts of the non-Muslim government. Among these are abortion, homosexuality, the doctrine of equality of sexes, homosexual ‘marriages’, acceptance of illegitimacy, etc., etc. By voicing abhorrence for these cultural aberrations and acts of immorality, Muslims are merely following their religious tenets and claiming their constitutional right of freedom of thought and speech, if these values do have true worth in the eyes of the state. If the state upholds a concept of shirk such as the standing practice, Muslims may not be considered to be disrespectful for dissociating themselves from such practices.

[Elmonellie]

Originally Posted by bily4

Interesting excerpt below. Seems to me there are more similarities between Muslims and Evangelicals than people may be aware of. They should get along just fine!


Muslims abhor many acts of the non-Muslim government. Among these are abortion, homosexuality, the doctrine of equality of sexes, homosexual ‘marriages’, acceptance of illegitimacy, etc., etc. By voicing abhorrence for these cultural aberrations and acts of immorality, Muslims are merely following their religious tenets and claiming their constitutional right of freedom of thought and speech, if these values do have true worth in the eyes of the state. If the state upholds a concept of shirk such as the standing practice, Muslims may not be considered to be disrespectful for dissociating themselves from such practices.

Where did you get the exerpt from?

[bily4]

See normal guy link..

[normalguy]

BBC NEWS | Europe | Turks elect ex-Islamist president

This shows that even if you completely secularize an Islamic nation,
they eventually fall back to their dogmatic and intolerant ways. God
(or should I start saying Alla ?) help the turks

[citigirl]

Originally Posted by bily4

Interesting excerpt below. Seems to me there are more similarities between Muslims and Evangelicals than people may be aware of. They should get along just fine!


Muslims abhor many acts of the non-Muslim government. Among these are abortion, homosexuality, the doctrine of equality of sexes, homosexual ‘marriages’, acceptance of illegitimacy, etc., etc. By voicing abhorrence for these cultural aberrations and acts of immorality, Muslims are merely following their religious tenets and claiming their constitutional right of freedom of thought and speech, if these values do have true worth in the eyes of the state. If the state upholds a concept of shirk such as the standing practice, Muslims may not be considered to be disrespectful for dissociating themselves from such practices.

You do not need have to be religious to have common sense. Some people simply understand right from wrong, normal from abnormal and acts that harm society.

[person]

Yeah they crazy, but we kind of need them around to keep our own crazy jesus christ usa number one evangies busy.

[GregW]

I propose the simple concept of keeping relegion out of government and government out of relegion. Relegion is the realm of faith and government the realm of force. Keep them apart. Always.

Just because a government does not make homosexuality or athiesm illegal does not mean it forces any on to be either.

[bily4]

Originally Posted by citigirl

You do not need have to be religious to have common sense. Some people simply understand right from wrong, normal from abnormal and acts that harm society.

Then by that reasoning, those Evil Doer Muslims have a whole bunch of that common sense that conservatives love so much...at least , until they start blowing themselves and other people up. But here with our 2nd amendment rights we should be able to draw and pick them off first, hopefully.

[johnrex62]

Originally Posted by GregW

I propose the simple concept of keeping relegion out of government and government out of relegion. Relegion is the realm of faith and government the realm of force. Keep them apart. Always.

Just because a government does not make homosexuality or athiesm illegal does not mean it forces any on to be either.

Interesting proposal. It fits when the concept of religion is an organized structure, but what about when it is an unorganized faith? Many people who might consider themselves religious do not subscribe to any specific faith or religious denomination. They simply have a faith in a god system of some type. This leads inevitably toward a moral conviction that underlies their personal choices and attitudes, such as the secularized Muslim country of Turkey is seeing through it newly elected officials.

So, are you proposing a dual standard of decision making to underly the separate government and religious aspects of peoples lives? If so, what basis for decision making should the governmental choices be made?

Many of the similarities between evangelicals and muslims are due to the same basis for the two religions. I see that as a compliment to both religious systems that they are as faithful to the core components of their faiths despite having moved so far apart at the extreme aspects. Someone pointed out that these similarities are just the common sense parts. That also seems to be an immense compliment of the core faith components that they are so accepted by non-religious as to be common sense. This further points out the common acceptability of the faiths, even to the unfaithful.

All we really need to do is realize that as a Republic we need to elect representatives to our government that will recognize the commonality among our diverse electorate and support those common interests to the exclusion of the extreme interests rather that the other way around we see today.