Atheists/Agnostics, Do You Celebrate Christmas? (speeches, holidays, speech, Jesus)

[DC at the Ridge]

Originally Posted by ChocLot

Your answer doesn't make sense.

I was conversing with someone else about the spirit of Christmas and how the good will, peace etc =Jesus.

The person said: Dude, Buddhism is also peace, good will, kindness towards another. The spirit of the season could just as easily = Siddhartha Gautama.


I responded:

Is this an event that is recognized by Buddhists during the month of December?


So, yeah, your answer makes no sense. Yes, Buddhists *could* be celebrating in December. But what significant holiday would this be?



I have no problem with non-believers celebrating Christmas..it is just very interesting to me. I must admit that I will have a hard time taking these "cultural Christians" serious in any future debates where they insult and ridicule Christians.

More demeaning remarks about 'non-believers'.

My answer makes perfect sense. You just don't want to accept the answer because it doesn't fit your pre-conceived ideas.

[Moth]

Originally Posted by ChocLot

Yes, it does. Consider if you will a football analogy.

Let's say I hate football. Think that those who are involved are corrupt and money-grubbing. They have rules and regulations that they expect every other sport to follow and think that football is the only sport that matters.

If I identify as someone who doesn't believe and/or agree with the principles of football, why exactly would I watch or support football in any way? Why would I celebrate the SuperBowl? Would I rationalize it and say "well, it's America's sport...football doesn't have 'ownership' over the Super Bowl. No, I wouldn't celebrate the Super Bowl in any way because I don't believe and/or agree with football.

If I still chose to celebrate "cause it's fun", would I be labeled a "cultural footballer"?

Also, your insults are a sign of a weak argument. So, I'll forgive you that comment.

I suppose you would watch football because you...like it. I suppose people celebrate Christmas because they like it.

And I am not insulting you. I am asking you a very relevant question. And I expect an answer. If not, yield. Bunch of people have asked you things and you are ducking them. If you are willing to drag this out for pages and pages, then answer any and ALL questions.

I doubt you are serious anyway.

[ChocLot]

Originally Posted by eevee

Not that deeply. I won't repeat what others have noted over and over, and over again, but many of the things that define Christmas predate Christ himself or have nothing to do with religion

I ask AGAIN, when all of the secular, non Christian things are striped from the holiday, what is left that still clearly defines Christmas as Christian? gift giving, Xmas trees and decor, Xmas dinner, and many other things are not/solely not Christian in nature. Nativity scenes are vastly outnumbered by the pagan Christmas tree and secular Santa Clause and reindeer

You can spin it any way you want, you and I both know that Christmas is a Christian holiday. It is a huge part of "christian culture". You know it deep down, but you just don't want to admit it. And that's fine.

The word "Christmas" means "the mass of Christ,"-that only should be enough for atheists to not want any part of the holiday.

Christmas is a holiday that Christians recognize as the birth of Jesus Christ. Santa Claus=a Saint. Gift-giving and dinner have religious connections as well.

[afoigrokerkok]

Originally Posted by ChocLot

Christ is peace, good will, kindness towards one another, etc. So, the spirit of the season=Christ.

No. Christ isn't peace, goodwill, or kindness towards one another. He doesn't own any of these values. I don't need to believe in him to have these values.

[ChocLot]

Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge

More demeaning remarks about 'non-believers'.

My answer makes perfect sense. You just don't want to accept the answer because it doesn't fit your pre-conceived ideas.

OK..so which holiday is it? I must have missed your answer. Can you tell me the post where you name the holiday? Thanks in advance.

[Moth]

Originally Posted by ChocLot

You can spin it any way you want, you and I both know that Christmas is a Christian holiday. It is a huge part of "christian culture". You know it deep down, but you just don't want to admit it. And that's fine.

The word "Christmas" means "the mass of Christ,"-that only should be enough for atheists to not want any part of the holiday.

Christmas is a holiday that Christians recognize as the birth of Jesus Christ. Santa Claus=a Saint. Gift-giving and dinner have religious connections as well.

Yea. 3 Kings brought a few tschokes and 2012 years later we have people pepper spraying others while buying gifts.

[ChocLot]

Originally Posted by Moth

I suppose you would watch football because you...like it. I suppose people celebrate Christmas because they like it.

And I am not insulting you. I am asking you a very relevant question. And I expect an answer. If not, yield. Bunch of people have asked you things and you are ducking them. If you are willing to drag this out for pages and pages, then answer any and ALL questions.

I doubt you are serious anyway.

No..I would not watch football. I indicated in my description that I hated it. To say I hate it, but still watch and support it would be hypocritical.

What relevant question did you ask me?

[eevee]

Originally Posted by ChocLot

I have no problem with non-believers celebrating Christmas..it is just very interesting to me. I must admit that I will have a hard time taking these "cultural Christians" serious in any future debates where they insult and ridicule Christians.

okay, then how about YOU celebrate the "Christian" aspects of Christmas (BY THE WAY, YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED MY PREVIOUS QUESTION!) and us non-Christians celebrate the secular, non religious aspects that Christianity has no sole claim to- the gift giving, lavish dinner, Christmas tree, most of the decorations, Santa Claus (the golly old guy w/ the reindeer and sleigh full of gifts, NOT the Saint. He's yours), the mistletoe, and the wishing of peace and goodwill to men.

and don't say "well, don't call it Christmas", unless you're willing to approach every atheist/agnostic Christopher, Christian, Christine, and the populace of Christchurch, NZ and demand they drop the "Christ" from their name (and of course, Christians need to stop using the word "Easter)

[ChocLot]

Originally Posted by Moth

Yea. 3 Kings brought a few tschokes and 2012 years later we have people pepper spraying others while buying gifts.

Well, you asked for the religious meaning behind the custom and I gave it. Whether you choose to mock it, is your choice. Again, the dump on Christianity but the celebration of Christmas. Very interesting indeed.

[eevee]

Originally Posted by ChocLot

You can spin it any way you want, you and I both know that Christmas is a Christian holiday. It is a huge part of "christian culture". You know it deep down, but you just don't want to admit it. And that's fine.

The word "Christmas" means "the mass of Christ,"-that only should be enough for atheists to not want any part of the holiday.

Christmas is a holiday that Christians recognize as the birth of Jesus Christ. Santa Claus=a Saint. Gift-giving and dinner have religious connections as well.

According to many accounts, Jesus wasn't born on December 25, his birth wasn't always celebrated on December 25th, and the holiday was co-opted from several pagan and secular holidays. How many times do people need to tell you this? Only person spinning is you. gift giving and dinner also have secular connections and certainly predates Christ

by the way, are you going to ANSWER MY PREVIOUS QUESTION?