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Old 12-05-2011, 03:25 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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You've probably heard that the U.S. Post Office is now saying they might eliminate the normal 1-day service for delivering letters across town or to a town a hundred or two miles away etc. Now delivery will take at least two days, or more.

Post Office Aims To Save Billions With Reductions In Workforce, Delivery Time | Fox News

I've been wondering something about the Post Office taking two or three days to deliver something that UPS takes one day to deliver, by ground transportation.

If I send something from Los Angeles to San Jose, it's about a 400 mile distance. UPS ground usually gets it there in a day. The Post Office often takes two or three days, or longer if it's Parcel Post.

The actual "transporting" part is the same in both cases. Both services use a truck, both bring the package 400 miles. That's around 8 or 9 hours spent actually moving over the road from one place to another. The rest of the time (total 24 hours for UPS Ground, total maybe 72 hours for Post Office) is spent sitting in a truck that's parked, or in a warehouse waiting to depart, or in another warehouse (or two) near the destination.

Aren't the two services, spending money for that truck that's parked? Or for the warehouse where my package sits?

And if the 1 million packages going from LA to San Jose every week spend 64 hours in warehouses or parked trucks (with the Post Office), versus maybe 16 hours in warehouses or parked trucks (for UPS Ground)....

...then doesn't the Post Office wind up spending a lot MORE money taking care of those 1 million packages, than UPS does?

The Post Office has to spend a lot more money on enough warehouses etc. to house those 1 million packages for 64 hours, than UPS does to house them for 16 hours. Doesn't it?

Now the Post Office is telling us that it will keep the packages for EVEN LONGER than it usually does... and that it's saving money by doing so?

I don't get it.

I figure the PO and UPS spend about the same amount to actually move the packages from LA to SJ. But doesn't the PO have to spend MORE than UPS, to keep the packages for three days instead of for one day?

So how does taking even more time to deliver stuff, "save money"?
Anybody got any comments on this?
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Old 12-05-2011, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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So how does taking even more time to deliver stuff, "save money"?
Anybody got any comments on this?
I went out to my mailbox yesterday for the first time in two weeks. Just as I expected, of the mail I received only three letters were important - the rest was junk mail that went straight to the recycle bin.

[I am the USPS worst customer]
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Old 12-05-2011, 07:20 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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The slow down in services will come from the post office closing up some of their sorting terminals and laying off people, not just because they are going to hold on to the mail a few days longer. It's cause and effect.
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Old 12-05-2011, 07:22 PM
 
Location: New England
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I also wonder why they waste money sending me postcards about buying stamps...

I rarely use the USPS for packages and after my last experience, I never will gain. Paid for priority and it took over two weeks to arrive. That was a waste is twenty bucks.
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Old 12-05-2011, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Murika
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I also wonder why they waste money sending me postcards about buying stamps...

I rarely use the USPS for packages and after my last experience, I never will gain. Paid for priority and it took over two weeks to arrive. That was a waste is twenty bucks.
See, right there you could be creating American jobs that cannot be outsourced...

Like me, you probably pay your bills online (rather than by check via mail), you write emails and text your friends and family (rather than write a letter), you get some magazines on your IPad (rather than through the mail), you read your newspaper online (rather than get it through the mail), etc.

I remember sending out quite a few letters in the early 90's and to take care of business - run a household, etc. These days, I think I average two letters a year...

All I get in the mail is junk and the rare bill that needs a physical delivery. Since that's all I ever receive, it's clear that others behave just like I do.

And there you have it: Thousands of jobs lost.

Perhaps that's just what happens with any business that's outdated.

Alas, I inadvertently use the postal service for international parcel mail from Europe to the US. Shipping a large package from the EU to the US via postal service (as a partner of the local post office) runs me $100. The same package with UPS or FedEx costs me $400. Sure enough, the postal route is not exactly fast - but since it's not time-sensitive stuff, I am willing to wait for such a difference in price.
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Old 12-05-2011, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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If I send something from Los Angeles to San Jose, it's about a 400 mile distance. UPS ground usually gets it there in a day.
And how much do they charge you for that?

$0.43? Yeah, right.

This is from one of the all time great political cartoonists (and even though it's a little out-dated, the message is unchanged):

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Old 12-05-2011, 10:53 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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To those who say that the USPS is outdated or unneeded - you clearly don't have any practical experience running a business.

Maybe you don't get much but junk mail at home, but tens of thousands of businesses rely on the postal service every day. I mailed out over a hundred Christmas cards to customers today, and I still have more to send. There are also many people that still use the postal service for the things that you don't. For instance, how can a person pay their bills online if they don't have a computer?

Speaking of "online" payments, did you know that many of those payments are converted to paper checks and - you guessed it - mailed to the payees? I get "online" payments from my customers in the mail every week.

There's more to the USPS than what YOU use it for. If you didn't have such a myopic perception of things, maybe you'd understand that.

Oh, and one more thing. The U.S. Constitution specifically gives Congress authorization "to establish Post Offices and Post Roads" (Article I, Section 8). I'll bet that I could find dozens of federal services, programs or facilities which you use that don't share that same level of Constitutional legality.

Of all the things that our tax dollars are spent on, the postal service is probably the least deserving of criticism. Focus your energy on the REAL waste in Washington, and maybe something might be done about it.
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Old 12-05-2011, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Murika
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To those who say that the USPS is outdated or unneeded - you clearly don't have any practical experience running a business.

Maybe you don't get much but junk mail at home, but tens of thousands of businesses rely on the postal service every day. I mailed out over a hundred Christmas cards to customers today, and I still have more to send. There are also many people that still use the postal service for the things that you don't. For instance, how can a person pay their bills online if they don't have a computer?

Speaking of "online" payments, did you know that many of those payments are converted to paper checks and - you guessed it - mailed to the payees? I get "online" payments from my customers in the mail every week.

There's more to the USPS than what YOU use it for. If you didn't have such a myopic perception of things, maybe you'd understand that.

Oh, and one more thing. The U.S. Constitution specifically gives Congress authorization "to establish Post Offices and Post Roads" (Article I, Section 8). I'll bet that I could find dozens of federal services, programs or facilities which you use that don't share that same level of Constitutional legality.

Of all the things that our tax dollars are spent on, the postal service is probably the least deserving of criticism. Focus your energy on the REAL waste in Washington, and maybe something might be done about it.
Well, swagger, that's all mighty nice - but apparently, it's not enough to keep the postal service afloat. It has nothing to do with a "myopic perception," it's simply reality.

Sure, there are people who don't have auto-payments, but like so many Americans, there is no check being mailed when I pay. It's a simple account transfer - completely paperless. That's how I pay, that's how my neighbors pay, that's how many people pay. When I receive money, it's rarely in check form but mostly yet another bank transfer.

The list of actions that used to involve regular mail but no longer do is endless. I can't even remember the last time I received a bank account or investment statement... Instead, I get a brief email notification that my documents are available.

I have no idea why I would possibly celebrate the problems the postal service is facing - I fear for it. I like to get my mail and my packages from the USPS and like you, I think it is a necessary and desirable service.

However, the simple reality is that much of our daily lives that used to involve mail no longer does. Our way to send communications has changed dramatically and thus, the post office is a bit outdated. Just like book stores, record stores, or phone land lines... That's progress, I suppose.
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Old 12-05-2011, 11:34 PM
 
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WHY IS THE POST OFFICE THE ONLY PLACE WHERE LIBERALS DON'T CARE ABOUT WASTING PAPER AND BEING GREEN? ah?
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Old 12-05-2011, 11:57 PM
 
Location: Murika
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WHY IS THE POST OFFICE THE ONLY PLACE WHERE LIBERALS DON'T CARE ABOUT WASTING PAPER AND BEING GREEN? ah?
What, oh what, does that have to do with being liberal or conservative? Time to get your head out of your butt and realize that not all things are bipartisan.
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