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Old 12-12-2011, 09:15 AM
 
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Maybe Cisco Kid thinks 1.4 mill WM workers have better options, and work each day as a means of being charitable? (LOL)

Yes , they were all working on their PHD's , but then wally world called.
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Old 12-12-2011, 09:34 AM
 
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Please provide statistics to show Wal-Mart stores get MORE police surveillance then any other store chain. Plesa show the crime statistics at Wal-Mart stores.

I think your claims are b.s.

I'll bet you complain just as much when some of our military qualify for gov't assistance also.
I've already provided a link to where I got my source, quick. Read through the thread.
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Old 12-12-2011, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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Union-Busting how? In legally proven terms, not in hyperbole.
Technically speaking, you cannot bust a union where no union exists. So, you're right on that count.

However, Wal-Mart has been the subject of numerous ULPs (Unfair Labor Practices) filed with the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB). These are violations which occur when employees attempt to engage in protected concerted activity---it is illegal under NLRB regulations for an employer to interfere with attempts by employees to organize. Most of these ULPs involve the illegal firing of employees who are trying to form unions within their stores.

As a part of their new worker orientations, Wal-Mart holds "captive audience" meetings, in which Wal-Mart makes ludicrous claims concerning what will happen if the workers form a union there. Employees are intimidated against participating in any form of organizing activity. When workers have been successful in organizing a union, Wal-Mart has used legal loopholes to evade that unionization. In Texas, a group of meat cutters at a Wal-Mart store voted-in the union. Wal-Mart's response was to go to pre-packaged meats, thus eliminating those jobs. In suburban Montreal, an entire store voted to unionize. Wal-Mart simply closed that facility, suddenly claiming that it was "under-performing".

Wal-Mart has been able to take advantage of pro-business labor laws to keep unions out. In the Canadian case, Wal-Mart was able to circumvent Quebec law, which is more pro-labor than that of any other Canadian Province, or any federal or state law in The US.

Wal-Mart has also engaged in numerous statutory violations of labor law...that is, laws which apply to all workers. These have included: not paying workers for overtime, requiring workers to work on their breaks, locking workers into a facility overnight (which is also a violation of various safety laws), and uncountable instances of discriminatory behavior.
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Old 12-12-2011, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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How would you suggest we fix it? Should government intervene and force Walmart to pay higher wages? Where is the Constitutional authority for government to take such actions?

As I said, people are not being forced to work for Walmart. If their employees are not making enough to cover their expenses they are foolish for not pursuing employment elsewhere.

If non-employees are put off by Walmart's employment practices they should make their displeasure known by spending their money elsewhere and informing Walmart corporate officials of the reasons they choose not to shop at the store.

It is a Catch-22. People work at Wal-Mart because that's the only job they can find, because, Wal-Mart choses to import virtually all of their product from third-world countries that have taken the jobs that many of these people formerly would have had available.

Essentially, because of Wal-Mart's business practices, some huge number of people live on less than livable wages all over the world.
And they get away with it because of the many, as evidenced by this thread, who believe that their 'low' prices are actually altruistic.

So, to sum up: poor people wouldn't be able to buy groceries if not for Wal-Mart, but, if not for Wal-Mart, those same people might actually be able to find manufacturing and other jobs in this country that would obviate the need for them to shop at Wal-Mart.

Clever, huh?
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Old 12-12-2011, 10:55 AM
 
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It is a Catch-22. People work at Wal-Mart because that's the only job they can find, because, Wal-Mart choses to import virtually all of their product from third-world countries that have taken the jobs that many of these people formerly would have had available.

Essentially, because of Wal-Mart's business practices, some huge number of people live on less than livable wages all over the world.
And they get away with it because of the many, as evidenced by this thread, who believe that their 'low' prices are actually altruistic.

So, to sum up: poor people wouldn't be able to buy groceries if not for Wal-Mart, but, if not for Wal-Mart, those same people might actually be able to find manufacturing and other jobs in this country that would obviate the need for them to shop at Wal-Mart.

Clever, huh?
I think what you meant to say, if it wasn't for globalists like Bill Clinton, these people would be able to find manufacturing jobs. The reason we have no more manufacturing is because of Globalist, Progressive policies. Remember how happy BC was when he announced that he has successfully transformed our economy into a SERVICE economy from an INDUSTRIALIZED economy? Think about that for a minute, let it sink in......
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Old 12-12-2011, 10:58 AM
 
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It still lies at the feet of the American consumer. If we demanded us made product we would get it. Instead we say " all is cool, Ill still buy that imported stuff, dosnt matter to me"
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Old 12-12-2011, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Austin Texas
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It is a Catch-22. People work at Wal-Mart because that's the only job they can find, because, Wal-Mart choses to import virtually all of their product from third-world countries that have taken the jobs that many of these people formerly would have had available.

Essentially, because of Wal-Mart's business practices, some huge number of people live on less than livable wages all over the world.
And they get away with it because of the many, as evidenced by this thread, who believe that their 'low' prices are actually altruistic.

So, to sum up: poor people wouldn't be able to buy groceries if not for Wal-Mart, but, if not for Wal-Mart, those same people might actually be able to find manufacturing and other jobs in this country that would obviate the need for them to shop at Wal-Mart.

Clever, huh?
Some of this post is ludicrous. Walmart sells the same brands of electronics as Best Buy does. They sell the same brands of toys Target and Toys R Us sells. Walmart sells the same CDs, DVDs, and video games as everyone else. They sell guns, fishing gear, and automotive supplies. This stuff comes from all over, including the US.

Nordstrom sells Polo brand clothing made in cheap labor countries.

Please, what exactly has Walmart done wrong?
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Old 12-12-2011, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Here
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Some of this post is ludicrous. Walmart sells the same brands of electronics as Best Buy does. They sell the same brands of toys Target and Toys R Us sells. Walmart sells the same CDs, DVDs, and video games as everyone else. They sell guns, fishing gear, and automotive supplies. This stuff comes from all over, including the US.

Nordstrom sells Polo brand clothing made in cheap labor countries.

Please, what exactly has Walmart done wrong?
Yep. This is what makes me chuckle as well.

Ever been to a Gap? I don't think a single piece of clothing is made in the USA.
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Old 12-12-2011, 11:25 AM
 
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It is a Catch-22. People work at Wal-Mart because that's the only job they can find, because, Wal-Mart choses to import virtually all of their product from third-world countries that have taken the jobs that many of these people formerly would have had available.

Essentially, because of Wal-Mart's business practices, some huge number of people live on less than livable wages all over the world.
And they get away with it because of the many, as evidenced by this thread, who believe that their 'low' prices are actually altruistic.

So, to sum up: poor people wouldn't be able to buy groceries if not for Wal-Mart, but, if not for Wal-Mart, those same people might actually be able to find manufacturing and other jobs in this country that would obviate the need for them to shop at Wal-Mart.

Clever, huh?
Clever, but not entirely correct.

Manufacturing jobs were shifting off-shore long before Wal-Mart became an influence. Besides the fact that manufacturing was so much cheaper in other countries, which was inviting enough in itself, the simple fact of the matter is that manufacturers are always looking for new markets to sell their goods to, and employing people in impoverished nations actually creates new markets. It's what capitalism is supposed to do. Those low-paid workers in other countries are actually working for higher wages than they would have been if the manufacturers had not shifted production around the globe.

Wal-Mart is NO different than other retailers. Their pay scale is not lower than the average retailer, and they actually offer MORE benefits than the much-vaunted, but incredibly bad employers that mom-and-pop retailers are.

Do some employees of Wal-Mart receive public assistance? Yes, but it's not exceptional for retail employees to receive public assistance. It never has been. Retail employees often lack the education and skills of employees in other sectors of the job market, and are paid accordingly. Wal-Mart employees actually are more likely to be employed full-time than if they worked for other retailers, and the fact that some of their employees are retirees who also receive social security, or teenagers who are on their parents' insurance programs, or single mothers who prefer to receive Medicare rather than enroll in Wal-Mart's insurance program should not be a knock against Wal-Mart.

I've worked for mom-and-pop retailers. No insurance. No paid vacation. No stock options. No benefits at all. Minimum wage. My best advice to young people looking for a job. Steer clear, wide and clear, from mom-and-pops and ANY small businesses owned and run by the family. Mr Jones isn't going to blame Mrs Jones when something goes wrong, he's going to blame you. Mr Jones isn't going to promote you to be a manager when his oldest son wants the job. Credit goes to the family when something goes right, blame goes to the non-family employee when something goes wrong.

And unions have created propaganda that works in much the same way. Wal-Mart is the largest retailer, but it operates just like all the other retailers. But unions, in their war against Wal-Mart because it fights, legally, unionization, have created a narrative, where Wal-Mart is to blame for all the ills of the retail industry, and gets none of the credit for what it does right.

Rich Lowry on Wal-Mart on National Review Online
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Old 12-12-2011, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Texas
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It is a Catch-22. People work at Wal-Mart because that's the only job they can find, because, Wal-Mart choses to import virtually all of their product from third-world countries that have taken the jobs that many of these people formerly would have had available.
Importing products from a country where they can be made less expensively generally increases, rather than decreases, the number of jobs.

The business with lower costs is able to make higher profits, expand, and hire more people in the US. Customers are able to save money and spend that money at other businesses, resulting in more jobs there.
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