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Old 12-10-2011, 05:12 PM
 
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President Bush's initiated the policy of "strategy of preemptive war" with Obama following the policy right down the road. Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, and now Iran all just as planned.

Northcom is now in position to suppress public "problems" here at home if need be. So I see 2012 as an interesting year to yet unfold a different world for all of us.

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Old 12-10-2011, 05:15 PM
 
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Still with the pessimistic view of the world...

America will never do a first strike no matter what the FUD peddlers say...
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Old 12-10-2011, 05:35 PM
 
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Bush wouldn't have pushed for the Arab Spring the way Obama has. Obama was told this would bring about big problems because the only politically organized groups in those areas were the Muslim Brotherhood which is the base group for all radical Islamic terrorist organizations.

Obama did that baby on his own. Bush wouldn't do that.
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Old 12-10-2011, 06:19 PM
 
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Bush wouldn't have pushed for the Arab Spring the way Obama has.
Well wait a minute... go back and read Bush's speeches from the early Iraq War era. A common theme was the notion of spreading "freedom and democracy" across the Mideast.
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Old 12-10-2011, 06:30 PM
 
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Well wait a minute... go back and read Bush's speeches from the early Iraq War era. A common theme was the notion of spreading "freedom and democracy" across the Mideast.
Nobody in their right mind calls bringing in radical Islam or Islamic Clerics freedom and democracy. Carter, Obama and Democrats call it that and I don't think they are in their right minds.
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Old 12-10-2011, 06:39 PM
 
Location: The Brightest City On Earth
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Nobody in their right mind calls bringing in radical Islam or Islamic Clerics freedom and democracy. Carter, Obama and Democrats call it that and I don't think they are in their right minds.
Democracy is a messy thing as Israel found out in the Gaza elections but I think in the long run, it would be good. Yes, the people in these countries are highly pissed off and they might elect people that we do not especially like the first few times but I think they will moderate and come around in the end. Remember it took Germany and Japan awhile to get used to the idea of electing leaders.
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Old 12-10-2011, 07:00 PM
 
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Well wait a minute... go back and read Bush's speeches from the early Iraq War era. A common theme was the notion of spreading "freedom and democracy" across the Mideast.
I think Bush meant it preemptively (high cost to us as initiators, Let Us Do It) while Obama means it surreptitiously (low cost to us as cheerleaders, Let Them Do It).

Preemptive war is the dumbest military strategy possible because it makes the worst mistake as its opening act. Talk about starting at the bottom!

And as far as spreading democracy or allowing democracy to spread, once you liberate or allow others to liberate themselves, you erase any condition on what the result will be. Complaining that a country didn't elect the people we wanted is completely contradictory to our supporting the concept of democracy.
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Old 12-10-2011, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Still with the pessimistic view of the world...

America will never do a first strike no matter what the FUD peddlers say...
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Iran war: Mystery explosions at nuke sites fuel fears covert conflict is under way | Mail Online

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...ehran-1.374898

The first strike is already history. Where in the world is everybody? Isn't it obvious we are ALREADY at war with Iran?
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Old 12-10-2011, 07:25 PM
 
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Nobody in their right mind calls bringing in radical Islam or Islamic Clerics freedom and democracy.
One of the Bush administration's first actions after the Iraq invasion was to help bring back the Ayatollah Mohammad Baqir al-Hakim from his exile in Iran, in the hopes that he'd take a political leadership role and rally Iraq's Shias behind the new government that would be formed.

However, that idea was scrapped a few months later in August of 2003, when he died along with over 80 other people in a car bombing near the Imam Ali Mosque in Najaf.

So to say that Bush would not have put clerics into power is kind of silly, since it contradicts what we actually tried to do only a few years ago...
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Old 12-10-2011, 07:28 PM
 
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President Bush's initiated the policy of "strategy of preemptive war"...
Too bad we can't negatively rep people for lies and false information. You are wrong again as usual.

It was Jimmy Carter.

The Carter Doctrine.

"...an attempt by any outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region will be regarded as an assault on the vital interests of the United States of America, and such an assault will be repelled by any means necessary, including military force."


Stansfield Turner, "Toward a New Defense Strategy," New York Times Magazine, May 10, 1981, p. 16.

The Carter Administration created the Rapid Deployment Joint Task Force (RDJTF) -- of which I was a member -- in 1980 to strengthen America's military posture in the Gulf. On January 1, 1983, the RDJTF was upgraded and converted to a new unified command, the US Central Command (CENTCOM). At that time the force comprised about 220,000 personnel. That figure, and the Reagan Administration's plans for a force totaling 440,000 personnel, are set forth in in the US Congressional Budge Office, Rapid Deployment Forces p. xv.

I see that your knowledge of US Foreign Policy is equally as bad as your knowledge of Economics.
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