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Old 12-17-2011, 04:56 PM
 
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If you invest in stuff like this you are considered a educated and informed investor, not some hayseed with a 401 rollover check. You are chasing big returns with big risk.


Are you a member of Corzine's sleazy defense team?
Because spreading such blatant falsehoods could get you disbarred.
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Old 12-17-2011, 04:58 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Are you a member of Corzine's sleazy defense team?
Because spreading such blatant falsehoods could get you disbarred.
??? are you for real?
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Old 12-17-2011, 05:07 PM
 
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??? are you for real?
Yes. Are you??

The investors had futures contracts with MF Global. Their money was supposed to be invested in commodities futures, which is routine for people in agriculture. For example, livestock producers often purchase futures to cover their feed costs, so that they can plan on a fixed cost for feed. Very routine practice in the industry.

But what Corzine did with their money had nothing to do with commodities futures or agriculture.
That's called embezzlement and securities fraud.
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Old 12-17-2011, 05:14 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Yes. Are you??

The investors had futures contracts with MF Global. Their money was supposed to be invested in commodities futures, which is routine for people in agriculture. For example, livestock producers often purchase futures to cover their feed costs, so that they can plan on a fixed cost for feed. Very normal practice in the industry.

But what Corzine did with their money had nothing to do with commodities futures or agriculture.
That's called embezzlement and securities fraud.
Going to have to call BS on that. MF was primarily selling complex derivatives and other pretty arcane stuff. This was not your normal puts and calls commodity contracts from your average farmer. To pretend otherwise is just .....well BS. Look at their website for crying out loud.
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Old 12-17-2011, 05:17 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Perhaps members of the WH are involved in it as well. Apparently, Corzine was a major Obama fundraiser.
Wonder if they'll ultimately find that some if not all of the missing (stolen) money went into Obama's campaign coffer.
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Old 12-17-2011, 05:23 PM
 
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Only Democratic politicians from Louisiana or Illinois are allowed to go to jail.

Jon Corzine had good intentions. I think he'll be fine.
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Old 12-17-2011, 05:34 PM
 
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Going to have to call BS on that. MF was primarily selling complex derivatives and other pretty arcane stuff. This was not your normal puts and calls commodity contracts from your average farmer. To pretend otherwise is just .....well BS. Look at their website for crying out loud.
Did you read the ABC article in the OP? According to ABC and every other major news source I've seen so far, they were engaged in bona fide futures trading as far as the investors knew.

But you claim something completely different. That the farmers knew they were making these ultra risky exotic investments on derivatives, high-risk bets which have absolutely nada to do with futures? This is news to me. First time I heard of that one. Can you back this up this incredible claim of yours? Source? Very hard to believe so many conservative farmers from the midwest would be so reckless with their money.

And the MF Global website is no longer in operation, btw. Except for one web page that says the company is bankrupt and out of business.
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Old 12-17-2011, 05:51 PM
 
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On second thought, I did find the MF Global webpage regarding futures trading.
Their futures contracts are represented as low-risk, secure investments by a reputable company:

Managed Futures | mfglobal.com

What am I missing? There's nothing here that indicates or warns you that you are taking part
in any super high-risk investment activity.
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Old 12-17-2011, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Former Goldman Sachs CEO Jon Corzine, as head of MF Global, embezzled $1.2 billion of his customers money to speculate on high-risk foreign currency trades without their knowledge. The MF Global bankruptcy scandal is the eighth largest in US history.

How would you like it if the CEO of your bank or brokerage firm took all the money in your account and gambled it in Las Vegas? That's like what Corzine did with his customers money. Looks like another Wall Street crook will be getting away with massive theft. He probably used some of the billions he stole to pay off the politicians investigating him. When a major case goes before a 'Senate panel' instead being properly tried in a criminal court of law you know its going to be a sham and a whitewash. If you have enough money you can get away with anything. The laws don't apply to the 1%.




'The company's bankruptcy has devastated thousands of customers
– including farmers, ranchers, grain elevators, small business owners and others.'

Former MF Global Jon Corzine Knew Client Money Was Transferred, Says Senate Witness - ABC News

Jon Corzine -- From The State House To The Big House? | Fox News
Corzine isn't in jail because he hasn't been convicted of a crime (yet). But he sure has lots of splainin to do.
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