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If she names an innocent man as her rapist, she should be prosecuted. I assume we're talking about america where she has rights. She could call child services if under-age or leave if not a minor. Maybe not prosecute but she should be open to a law-suit
If she names an innocent man to whom?
You are arguing that it should be criminal for her to lie to her father. Do you really believe that?
He is responsible for his acts. He was also drunk at the time. She does bear some culpability, as well. She chose to lie. She knew her boyfriend, so she probably knew that violence would be his possible response. She is also the one who chose to sleep with this other man, and for some reason she bore him sufficient malice to lie about him.
That said, again, people in relationships lie and hide things, and criminalizing such behavior is an intrusion by the government that we should not tolerate.
According to the article, Jess Cooper had a one night stand with one man. She then told her boyfriend that that this man had raped her. All three individuals were in the pub when Cooper made the allegation. Given those circumstances, she certainly had to be aware of the scenario that would likely unfold.
Apparently, under standard UK sentencing guidelines, a false allegation which risks the arrest of an innocent man, carries up to a sentence of life in prison. At the very least, it should result in a lesser charge which can carry a penalty of up to six months, plus a fine of £2,500
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According to Crown Prosecution Service guidance, women who cry rape, so risking the arrest of an innocent man, should normally be charged with perverting the course of justice, which carries a maximum sentence of life.
Failing that, they can be cautioned or charged with wasting police time, which carries a maximum penalty of six months’ imprisonment and a £2,500 fine.
There is no doubt that her actions risked the arrest of an innocent man.
Looking at this from a hypothetical American perspective, virtually every US state has a facilitation law, which provides penalties for assertive actions that directly result in the criminal behavior of others.
According to the article, Jess Cooper had a one night stand with one man. She then told her boyfriend that that this man had raped her. All three individuals were in the pub when Cooper made the allegation. Given those circumstances, she certainly had to be aware of the scenario that would likely unfold.
Apparently, under standard UK sentencing guidelines, a false allegation which risks the arrest of an innocent man, carries up to a sentence of life in prison. At the very least, it should result in a lesser charge which can carry a penalty of up to six months, plus a fine of £2,500
There is no doubt that her actions risked the arrest of an innocent man.
Looking at this from a hypothetical American perspective, virtually every US state has a facilitation law, which provides penalties for assertive actions that directly result in the criminal behavior of others.
Her actions risked the arrest of an innocent man if she'd made her allegations to the police. She didn't. She made the allegations to a boyfriend. She certainly bears some responsiblity for the assault on the other man. Her allegations instigated the assault. But her boyfriend bears the brunt of responsibility because he's the one who actually committed the assault. She didn't hold a gun to his head and force him to assault another person. She lied to him, and that lie set him off. Criminally, she has little liability. But civilly, she has more liability. And the man who was assaulted will surely be talking with a solicitor to determine how to make her pay.
According to the article, Jess Cooper had a one night stand with one man. She then told her boyfriend that that this man had raped her. All three individuals were in the pub when Cooper made the allegation. Given those circumstances, she certainly had to be aware of the scenario that would likely unfold. """
She did NOT FORCE her boyfriend to break the law! He CHOSE TO!
"""Apparently, under standard UK sentencing guidelines, a false allegation""
A false allegation to whom????
A stranger walking down the street? or the law?
""" which risks the arrest of an innocent man, carries up to a sentence of life in prison. At the very least, it should result in a lesser charge which can carry a penalty of up to six months, plus a fine of £2,500
There is no doubt that her actions risked the arrest of an innocent man.""
No, by her boyfriend's OWN ACTIONS, that HE CHOSE to do, was he put at risk of arrest.
"""Looking at this from a hypothetical American perspective, virtually every US state has a facilitation law, which provides penalties for assertive actions that directly result in the criminal behavior of others.
Love how these "unemotional" /"take responsibility for your own actions" men need to shove their responsibilities off on someone else....guess the term "man up" is obsolete!!
You're saying that if "Joe" tells his buddy that he's broke and "Buddy" robs a bank and gives the loot to Joe then it's all Joe's fault.....and Joe deserves the same jail time as "Buddy"....
Agreed. I can't believe that looney disagreed and said it was absurd!!!
Thanks for calling me a "looney."
Should everyone who falsely reports a crime really face the exact same sentence as someone who actually commits the crime?
Shouldn't we encourage people to report crimes? Of course people who falsely report crimes should be punished, but there shouldn't be an extreme fear of possibly being accused of lying associated with reporting a crime.
You're saying that if "Joe" tells his buddy that he's broke and "Buddy" robs a bank and gives the loot to Joe then it's all Joe's fault.....and Joe deserves the same jail time as "Buddy"....
Or is it different when men do it???
No one is suggesting that Jess Cooper should be "burned at the stake". Some of us are arguing that she received a penalty which was significantly below the sentencing guidelines provided under UK law. The basis for that suggestion is made clear by the facts reported in the story.
To take up your "Joe and Buddy" analogy: if Joe cases the bank, gives buddy a gun, and drives him to the bank--with the full expectation that Buddy will rob the bank; Joe deserves to be held culpable for his complicity in Buddy's crime.
Kinda like keeping the victim in "victim" mode. there's a great deal of money in that too. I find it offensive. I'm a survivor of childhood sexual abuse, and it's amazing to me how much crap there is out there geared to keeping people "victims"
The truth is. what happened sux, and some people have it worse than others, but if you've been left with life and limb, the rest of you CAN heal.
You're saying that if "Joe" tells his buddy that he's broke and "Buddy" robs a bank and gives the loot to Joe then it's all Joe's fault.....and Joe deserves the same jail time as "Buddy"....
Or is it different when men do it???
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Originally Posted by rogead
No one is suggesting that Jess Cooper should be "burned at the stake". Some of us are arguing that she received a penalty which was significantly below the sentencing guidelines provided under UK law. The basis for that suggestion is made clear by the facts reported in the story.
To take up your "Joe and Buddy" analogy: if Joe cases the bank, gives buddy a gun, and drives him to the bank--with the full expectation that Buddy will rob the bank; Joe deserves to be held culpable for his complicity in Buddy's crime.
Can't you read??? That's NOT my analogy...here's what I posted (above)and it is EXACTLY the same as a girl telling her boyfriend someone raped her (BTW, maye HE should be arrested for not reporting a crime!!!!!)
Nope, if it involved men only, some posters would be backing off right quickly....or, as here, making excuses for a boyfriend with violence issues...
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Love how these "unemotional" /"take responsibility for your own actions" men need to shove their responsibilities off on someone else....guess the term "man up" is obsolete!!
