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Communist Russia under Vladimir Ilyich Lenin was completely secular, and according to Time Magazine "it is perhaps, impossible to calculate just how many tens of millions of murders "flowed" from Leninism". TIME 100: V.I. Lenin
Mao Zedong sometimes spelled Mao Tse-Tung run a completely secular society and killed at least 20 million people out right and 20 million more with the famine that was caused by his policies. TIME 100: Mao Zedong
That is what total secularism did to three different countries. Even if I wasn't religious I would still want to protect the peoples rights to prevent that kind of slaughter.
Except they were not trying to create a atheism utopia, they are dictators who want to wipe out religion so as to control the population, its not secularism itself that brought about the killing. Can't really say the same for religion.
There are many more missing women that what is portrayed on national cable news. How the media outlets decide which missing women to cover and which ones to ignore, I don't know. I do know that I was getting really overwhelmed with all of the Lacey Peterson coverage, the "Runaway Bride" coverage and the missing Halloway teen vacationing in Aruba. As sad as their fates are, I don't see why they warrant so much media coverage. There are many women who get none. These types of stories should shown in the local areas in which these women are from and on shows like like that guy John ? does..the name of it escapes me. There are missing women in my own city that don't even get any local news coverage and I'm subjected to a year of Laci Peterson coverage. I really don't understand that at all. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be any coverage, but I think it should be kept local. People who are really into every nuance of a trial can watch Court TV.
Everything I have ever heard about what happened in those countries has been of forced secularism. What text did you read to come to the conclusion that these governments set up any other religion than forced secularism?
In fact in PURE socialism/communism religion is a strictly forbidden. (No pure socialist/communism countries exist today they are all mixed. The pure ones were either forced to add some capitalist elements to them, or fall.)
And we still have Russia to contend with. I believe it was said by Lenin that
"religion is the opiate of the masses" Certainly you will not accuse Lenin of being a religionist?
In your last post you seemed to accuse religion of being the cause of everything terrible that is going on in the world today. If if I were to take your word about that China, and Cambodia were setting up new religions (over the history books and biographies I have read by people who actually lived in those places during that time) you would still have the problem of Russia being totally secular and being covered in blood.
The people who murdered non-Christians were not being Christian. Christians follow the Bible which means loving your enemy. Christians are supposed to be fishers of men and not murderers of innocent men. Anyone who kills someone who is not a physical threat to them is not behaving in a Christian manner. And I refuse to acknowledge any affiliation with people who kill, just because someone is a different faith then the person they are killing.
If someone said that they were an atheist, but they prayed to a God would you believe they were atheist? If that person were to then do something that you found repugnant, and was against everything all the other atheist you knew was against would you blame the action on atheism? Probably not and neither would I. If that is the case please don't blame Christianity when someone who claims they are Christian does something that is clearly against Christianity. Blame the person who did the crime. A group who says don't do something should not be blamed when someone does that thing.
Any extermination of people because of their religion is evil, whether said extermination is practiced by atheists, members of an existing religious group, or people who want to start a new religion and thus wipe out people who believe in pre-existing religious beliefs.
Any extermination of people because of their religion is evil, whether said extermination is practiced by atheists, members of an existing religious group, or people who want to start a new religion and thus wipe out people who believe in pre-existing religious beliefs.
The person I was responding to said "back in the day when men own the women and the times when women couldn't even vote, how much more religious were we were back then.
Some of these crap still happening, we sure are not secular enough."
Trying to make the point that religion causes evil, atheist people don't.
I was simply trying to prove that totally secular countries do cause evil.
If the religion that is being eliminated doesn't cause innocent people to die I am in complete agreement. But we must not forget that some of the religions of the past that have been eliminated participated in human sacrifice of already born children, and other innocent people. If the religion is a physical threat to innocent people, people in general have the right to do whatever is necessary to eliminate the threat.
Another point I would like to make is that Christianity should not be held responsible when people do something that is clearly against Christianity.
We have a generation that has been raise with no believe in God so what do they have to answer to? I know as a child anytime I even considered doing something wrong I may have thought I could get it past my parents but I never thought I could get it past God. That was enough to stop me in my tracks and really consider if something was worth it. Welcome to our Godless world.
but is it ok to make everyone believe in god even though you can't prove he exists? just keep the "story" going so everyone acts accordingly? shouldn't that give you some insight as to why the whole religious story came about? you can control the masses with guilt.
We are reaching a point in our society where we are past religion, and require new social norms or a new "story" with such technological advancement.. our "story" cannot be as far fetched as before.. and has to have substance.. and be universal... It is going to require social evolution... where we come to grips with whats really important.. and why...
the only universal truth we all long for and respect is love... and where we are now.. we got lots of church and preaching going on.. but not a lot of love...
perhaps more love and less church and preaching?
I dunno.. just my two cents
The news makes the world look like an evil place because the good things that far outnumber the bad things in this world don't make as good entertainment.
We have a generation that has been raise with no believe in God so what do they have to answer to?
I'm an atheist and you don't see me raping, pillaging, kidnapping or murdering, but you do see me holding the door open for women (and everyone else) and giving up my seat on the bus for pregnant or elderly women or women with children.
Morality is based on common sense, not the rantings of a mythical deity.
I don't kill my neighbor because of after-worldly threats by the Divine Pyromaniac, rather I don't kill my neighbor because it's counter-productive to me and society as a whole.
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