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Only because reporting of crime is different as in it isn't reported.
Most people will tell you truthfully that crime is not down
Use logic.... drug use at record levels, people are more depressed than ever, record number of people in poverty and record levels of broken families and YOU want us to believe that crime numbers are accurate
I could not care less if people want to get high. Big government types disagree, but that's their right.
Government knows what is best for you!!! Just say no!!!
I got an A- is stats so let's try another tact because one part of statement was about correlation, pointing out that it would be difficult to infer (correlation) a relationship between spanking and the propensity to commit crime, and the other regarding causation by pointing to articles that demonstrate a causal relationship between and higher rates of aggressive and anti-social behaviors in children. So, you see I raise issue of both correlation and causation.
The article in the Independent does not say there is a proven casual link, because they know the study's conclusions were correlative. It heavily implies a causal link, and clearly is written with the agenda of persuading the reader to accept a causal link, but it does not posit one.
I was listening Dr. Ronald Ferguson on NPR (heaven forbid) the Director of Harvard's Achievement Gap Initiative who makes the argument that one of the factors underlying black/white academic achievement is the over reliance on corporal punishment by African American parents. He states that corporal punishment as opposed to cognitive reasoning retards a child's mental and thus their academic achievement.
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The error is in supposing that the two are "opposed." Corporal punishment and reasoning are not inversely proportional; there is plenty of room for both.
My father used to say that black folks got that beating kids sh*t from white folks...and i'm inclined to agree. Must be something that we took out of the slave experience. I'm sure they thought that beatings get results when often, it just makes people more stubborn. And clearly, it was something that was passed along over the decades since.
I agree totally with Dr. Ferguson. It makes perfect sense.
Do you suppose those folks who think water boarding is an effective way to get prisoners to talk are the offspring of the owners who beat their slaves?
Looks to me that by now, we could have learned something.
I don't condone child abuse, but warming their little backsides to get their attention is a tool that sometimes becomes necessary. That includes my grandchildren and they know it. It doesn't always have to be used, but they have to know it is in your arsenal...
Agree whole heartedly. I have an 8 year old. It's used sparingly, but he knows.
Spare the rod and spoil the child. They can do no wrong and just get told about a million times "stop that". Well, now they are spoiled young adults that still think they can do no wrong.
At least the judge they have to stand before does more than say "stop that".
"Spare the rod, spoil the child (what went wrong?):
Actually nothing. You would be hard pressed to demonstrate a correllation between the use of corporal punishment and a any decrease in future criminal behavior. In point of fact most of the research demonstrates that reliance on spanking increases aggressive behaviors and most astounding a decrease in IQ.
Spanking is a euphemism for hitting. One is not permitted to hit one's spouse or a stranger; these actions are considered domestic violence and/or assault. Nor should one be permitted to hit a smaller and even more vulnerable child. Hitting a child elicits precisely the feelings one does not want to generate in a child: distress, anger, fear, shame, and disgust. Studies show that children who are hit will "identify with the aggressor," and they are more likely to become hitters themselves, i.e., bullies and future abusers of their children and spouses. They tend to learn to use violent behavior as a way to deal with disputes.
It sounds like you're been listening to too many crack-pot theories and cooked studies by people who started out with the idea that spanking was bad.
Children are not adults. Their reasoning capabilities don't allow them in the early years to respond to logic. However, they do respond to pain. Spanking ensures that children learn correct behaviors. By the time they're grown, most are more respectful of others and realize that there are rules within society and there are punishments. All "sparing the rod" does is create spoiled brats who do not believe in standards. As a result, higher levels of anti-social behavior, incarceration, or even death are found. Part of the reason why children without fathers are out of control is because of the lack of discipline in the home, of which most fathers are. It's also a product of not having the extra support needed to discipline in a more-effective manner.
It sounds like you're been listening to too many crack-pot theories and cooked studies by people who started out with the idea that spanking was bad.
Children are not adults. Their reasoning capabilities don't allow them in the early years to respond to logic. However, they do respond to pain. Spanking ensures that children learn correct behaviors. By the time they're grown, most are more respectful of others and realize that there are rules within society and there are punishments. All "sparing the rod" does is create spoiled brats who do not believe in standards. As a result, higher levels of anti-social behavior, incarceration, or even death are found. Part of the reason why children without fathers are out of control is because of the lack of discipline in the home, of which most fathers are. It's also a product of not having the extra support needed to discipline in a more-effective manner.
I agree with your points. However, I believe you may have touched a raw nerve on some people and take it personnaly and accuse you of being against single moms raising kids. I will sit and watch. I am interested on responses. I know where you are coming from but some people will spin your comments. Take care.
It sounds like you're been listening to too many crack-pot theories and cooked studies by people who started out with the idea that spanking was bad.
Children are not adults. Their reasoning capabilities don't allow them in the early years to respond to logic. However, they do respond to pain. Spanking ensures that children learn correct behaviors. By the time they're grown, most are more respectful of others and realize that there are rules within society and there are punishments. All "sparing the rod" does is create spoiled brats who do not believe in standards. As a result, higher levels of anti-social behavior, incarceration, or even death are found. Part of the reason why children without fathers are out of control is because of the lack of discipline in the home, of which most fathers are. It's also a product of not having the extra support needed to discipline in a more-effective manner.
You are wrong, spanking actually causes mental problems.
You are wrong, spanking actually causes mental problems.
Mental Problems? Yeah, whatever you say, buddy.
I was spanked, and so was everyone I know. I don't know of any with mental problems.
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