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Old 12-23-2011, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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When is it ever life threatening? I think that's just a tag line. :-|
And what are the statistics about it? Example "14% of all pregnancies are considered life threatening"
Wow!

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
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Old 12-23-2011, 08:38 AM
 
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Wow!

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
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So, you found me a quote to insult me... but yet, you didn't find me what I was looking for? I mean, I actually do not know how often it's considered life threatening. I just want someone to educate me on this, instead of using insults or tag lines.

Sorry if asking you to think was too much.
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Old 12-23-2011, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
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You've been hired to do a job and if that job involves something you find religiously offensive you shouldn't apply for it.
If you didn't apply to a position in which abortion is an expected duty then don't turn around and suddenly tell me I have to assist. That's what was happening in this case: charge nurses and case managers in same day surgery were told they were now expected to assist in abortions.
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Old 12-23-2011, 08:40 AM
 
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If you didn't apply to a position in which abortion is an expected duty then don't turn around and suddenly tell me I have to assist. That's what was happening in this case: charge nurses and case managers in same day surgery were told they were now expected to assist in abortions.
What can we expect? It's NJ -- a very blue state. Very blue states = lack of freedom.
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Old 12-23-2011, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Texas
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When is it ever life threatening? I think that's just a tag line. :-|
And what are the statistics about it? Example "14% of all pregnancies are considered life threatening"
It's not 14%, but it certainly is life threatening in some cases.
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Old 12-23-2011, 08:42 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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If you didn't apply to a position in which abortion is an expected duty then don't turn around and suddenly tell me I have to assist. That's what was happening in this case: charge nurses and case managers in same day surgery were told they were now expected to assist in abortions.
The charge nurse should be prepared to do a the job that their staff is doing. Plus, people have been saying that but everything I know about the case says these are post-op nurses, not case managers.
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Old 12-23-2011, 08:45 AM
 
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It's not 14%, but it certainly is life threatening in some cases.
I'm aware of that, but how often? When the topic of abortion comes up, this is the tag line that everyone uses. Well, I'm just asking about it. I personally think if the mother and child are in a crisis and we can save the mother's life, then by all I means I support this. But how often is this? Why don't we have that statistic available?
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Old 12-23-2011, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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So, you found me a quote to insult me... but yet, you didn't find me what I was looking for? I mean, I actually do not know how often it's considered life threatening. I just want someone to educate me on this, instead of using insults or tag lines.

Sorry if asking you to think was too much.
I'm sorry, but calling a life threatening pregnancy a "tag line" just reeked of ignorance, in the true sense of the word, lack of knowledge. Here's a google search for you:

Google
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Old 12-23-2011, 08:50 AM
 
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Deal: New Jersey Nurses Can Skip Aiding Hospital Abortions | Fox News

What can I say? I understand their position.

What I cannot understand is this-



Maybe I am wrong, but isn't Abortion an elective procedure? If a person can elect to have the procedure, cannot another person elect not to participate?

Additionally, it is stipulated that in the even of a life threatening situation, these nurses are available until someone else can relieve them, how is this denying care, or putting ideology in a position higher than someone's life?

So the bottom line, if a woman has to have an abortion as a life saving procedure, these nurses are available to assist. Can someone tell me why the ACLU is "concerned"?
I'll point out the REPUBLICAN stance on this.


If you don't like your job or can't or won't do it...GET ANOTHER JOB.



It IS a concern that a nurse is allowed to pick and choose who she'll help.

Will that carry over to whether or not she feels the elderly should be kept alive or even comfortable?

Can a nurse choose to not help a severely impaired newborn who only has a life of agony ahead of it?

Will a female nurse decide not to help male patients because she was raped or abused by one??


Maybe nurses should just be glad they HAVE a job ...
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Old 12-23-2011, 08:50 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I'm aware of that, but how often? When the topic of abortion comes up, this is the tag line that everyone uses. Well, I'm just asking about it. I personally think if the mother and child are in a crisis and we can save the mother's life, then by all I means I support this. But how often is this? Why don't we have that statistic available?
It's pretty rare that a mother's life is significantly put in jeopardy due to pregnancy, but you could always argue that any pregnancy puts the mother's life in jeopardy. It's really a cop-out in most cases. Rare is the situation where a mother will die if the baby is not aborted and the baby will die outside of the womb.
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