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Old 12-28-2011, 01:50 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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LOL...growing up,we never had A/C,our brand new high school didn't have A/C,I can't remember anyone who had a car with A/C,public transport didn't have A/C...but today you would simply DIE if the temp isn't constant all year round....

And this was growing up in sub-tropical Australia.
My sisters house in Perth Western Australia only has A/C in the living room.
It should be illegal to sell A/Cs that kick in below a temp of, say, 80°F indoors And 70° should be the lowest possible temp after cooling.

And the Germans should develop a system to store the summer heat for cold winter days instead of developing one stupid car after another
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Old 12-28-2011, 02:04 PM
 
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And the Germans should develop a system to store the summer heat for cold winter days instead of developing one stupid car after another
Germans produce what the markets demand. It's that simple. They already do its called solar energy.
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Old 12-28-2011, 02:05 PM
 
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You do not have even the faintest idea of the freedoms in America, do you?

YOU have the right to build a business, hire people at "living wages" with full benefits and all. But you won't.

That's because you don't have the brains or the guts to do it.
Spent 12 years in business for myself as a contractor. Please...stop it. You don't have to be Isaac Newton to run a business.

If i said to you that you didn't have guts or brains, you'd report me to the moderators.
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Old 12-28-2011, 02:07 PM
 
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It is because Americans are soft....generally speaking.
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee*t. You must run with some wimpy ass Americans.

That said, you might have a point.
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Old 12-28-2011, 02:25 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee*t. You must run with some wimpy ass Americans.

That said, you might have a point.
Some people think Arizona is hot....
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Old 12-28-2011, 02:33 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Germans produce what the markets demand. It's that simple. They already do its called solar energy.
Solar energy can't be stored on a grand scale for months, yet.

Anyway, seems this thread invites off-topic posts
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Old 12-28-2011, 02:37 PM
 
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Solar energy can't be stored on a grand scale for months, yet.

Anyway, seems this thread invites off-topic posts
It will get there eventually. I'm sure German corps will invent something.

But enough with the off-topic.
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Old 12-28-2011, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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Let's do the math:

Germany-$67.14
USA-$33.77

Let's say that both workers work 40 hours a week for 50 weeks out of the year. (I understand that Europeans usually take more time than that for vacation but to keep it as even playing field as possible, let's say they both only take two weeks.)

Gross annual income for Germany: $134,280
Gross annual income for USA: $67,540

Wow! What a difference!

Let's do the taxes:

Germany at around 45% for the individual: He loses $60426 just in income tax.

USA at around 35% (and that's being generous since he's middle income): He loses $23,639

Germany takes home: $ 73,854
USA takes home: $43,901

Eesh, already the gap is closing rapidly.

We haven't even bought groceries yet!

They each spend $300 a month on groceries and of that $300, $150 is for actual food not already prepared, for Germany it's 7% on that type of food, 19% on everything else.

USA, depends on the state, so we'll go with a higher sales tax, maybe match it close to CA and say it's 9%, no tax on non prepared food.

Germany groceries: $10.50 tax on food and $28.50 on other groceries. So his bill for groceries is now $339 per month or $4068 per year.

USA groceries: $0 tax on non prepared food and $13.50 on other groceries. So his bill for groceries is now $313.50 per month or $3762 per year.

Taking out taxes and groceries, Germany has $69,786
Taking out taxes and grocieres, USA has $40,139

So far, we went from a difference in wages at $66,740 and by just paying income tax and buying groceries for one year, the difference has dwindled to $29,647.

We haven't even got to car tax, dog tax, church tax, t.v., internet, radio tax (that is in addition to the bills they pay)...

So as you can see, it really ISN'T that different than what our workers are making over here.
What about cost of living? Isn't that more for less in Germany? You know, rent or mortgage payment.
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Old 12-28-2011, 03:36 PM
 
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Spent 12 years in business for myself as a contractor. Please...stop it. You don't have to be Isaac Newton to run a business.

If i said to you that you didn't have guts or brains, you'd report me to the moderators.
Are you still in business?

Did you give benefits and pension?

Did you pay people over and above the true value of their labor?

I have never and will never report anyone for anything except for porn.
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Old 12-28-2011, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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Let's rename this thread the "desertdetroiter European fanboy thread."

You are posting a LOT of incomplete truths and putting your liberal twists on things in Germany DD.

I'll call you on them soon enough.
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