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Originally Posted by Suncc49
Are you for or against this war?
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Ignoring the legal, moral or ethical implications, you have to decide what kind of economic future you want for America:
Perennial 20% unemployment or perennial 9% unemployment.
Choose wisely.
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Originally Posted by padcrasher
Only Paul would put a stop to these neocons from using our tax dollars and soldiers lives to further Israel's strategic interests.
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You might want to actually read the US Constitution. Paul wouldn't do anything to prevent it. If necessary, his hand would be forced.
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Originally Posted by Bideshi
So, are they going to seize all US assets in Iran? Of which there are...none. How can they hurt us economicaly?
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They can sell oil in basket currencies at the Kish Island Exchange. I guess it never donned on you that each and every time Iran has announced an oil bourse, and threatened to sell oil and natural gas in Euros or currencies other than US Dollars, the US has falsely screamed, "Nukes!" and Israel has threatened to attack.
If I had a dollar for every time Israel has threatened to attack Iran over the last 6 years, I could actually afford to go to one of Obama's $10,000 a plate campaign fund raisers.
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Originally Posted by chickenfriedbananas
LOL! And what would you propose that we do about Iran -- because complaining on a message board, that is.
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Well, Blow Job Bill apologized for the US' three failed attempts at murdering Prime Minister Massadeq in cold blood, but the US should offer financial compensation to his family.
The US should also pay $1 Million to the families of the hundreds of thousands of Iranians who were kidnapped, wrongfully imprisoned and tortured and also to those who were murdered.
The US (along with the Brits) can pay Iran fair market value for the oil (and other resources) it stole.
The US can compensate Iran for the destroyers and other ships the US sank during the Iraq-Iran War.
The US can pay reparations to Iran for the US role in the Iraq-Iran War.
The US can apologize to Khomeini for stabbing him in the back.
The US can apologize and pay damages for attempting to initiate a military coup in Iran in 1979.
That's just a few of the things the US can do. I'm absolutely certain that if another country treated the US government and its citizens the way the US treated Iran and Iranians, you all would be screaming bloody murder and demanding to be compensated.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
Saudis announced they will make up for any loss to supply if Iranians start playing games.
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Iran produces 4 Million barrels per day.
The Saudis are going to increase production from 9 Million barrels per day to 13 Million barrels per day?
Really?
When, in the year 2025?
I've mentioned before you aren't the most competent person when it comes to "things oil."
No doubt you failed to read the 2005 House Energy and Commerce Committee report on "peak oil." Had you done so, you would have read the testimony of al-Hussein, the former vice president of operations for Saudi Aramco, and you would have noted that he stated repeatedly that the Saudis would be unable to meet the production demands of the US EIA (Energy Information Administration).
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Saudi Aramco says that production can be increased to 12.5 mbpd in 2015. They plan a new pipeline with a capacity of 2.5 mbpd, so it looks like they are willing to increase production to 12.5 mbpd, but so far there are no signs of reaching 22 mbpd
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That was 2005. The Saudis have since awarded a contract to Russia to build that pipeline, which should be completed in 2015, and which will be moving oil south to sub-Saharan Africa so that BRIC can develop it, since the US won't and would rather steal everything from their Little Brown Brothers rather than help them.
So once that oil starts moving sub-Saharan Africa, another 3 Million jobs will permanently flee the US.
Good news.
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Originally Posted by Bideshi
The only military action between the US and Iran was when our navy shot down an Iran Air 737 passenger jet.
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No, the US sank most of Iran's navy during the closing part of the Iraq-Iran War, because Iran had driven the Iraqis back and was moving into Iraq.
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Originally Posted by Bideshi
Having said that, if they actually follow through on their bombastic threat to blockade the Strait of Hormuz (I think it's just more posturing, bluff, and playing to the home crowd), that's an overt act of war and it will certainly begin at that point, God help us all.
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It is not an "overt" act of war. It is Iran who owns the Strait of Hormuz under international law, not the US, and not any other countries in the world.
Under the Carter Doctrine (which people have disingenuously renamed as the Bush Doctrine), it would be considered an act of war by the US.
For those who aren't familiar with the Persian Gulf, the average depth of the Gulf is a mere 36 meters.
Near Bahrain and Qatar, and at the mouth of the Persian Gulf (where you enter the Strait of Hormuz) the depth is less than 20 meters.
As you approach the Strait heading south, the depth averages about 40 meters.
It would be very easy to sink a tanker, super-tanker or cargo carrier at either end of the Strait, and permanently block it, until the vessel was re-floated.
As a point of fact, Iran maintains about half a dozen to a dozen old tankers for the express purpose of towing them out and scuttling them to block the Strait. Salvage operations could not start until the area was secure, and it might take the US up to 12 months to hunt down and destroy all of the land-based mobile surface-to-surface anti-ship missile launchers that Iran has.
Given that your vaunted special forces, your satellites and your recon aircraft could only locate and destroy 10% of Iraq's SCUD missiles sitting out in flat wide-open desert plains/steppe country, I seriously doubt the US could locate and destroy more than 10% of Iran's launchers.
Good luck with that.
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Originally Posted by florida.bob
If it went Nuclear, it would be pretty one sided. I very much doubt Israel would take that step.
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Uh, well, it is monsoon season and the winds are blowing to the southwest. I guess it's a good thing Israelis are well-trained in civil defense so they can take precautions against fallout from their own nuclear weapons.
Israel would probably only kill 2 Million-3 Million of their own people trying to wipe out Iran, but I'm sure Yahweh god would approve.
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If the Iranians want to close the strait legaly, they will have to get the cooperation of Oman, whose nation has the legal right to the opposite coastal waters. Good luck with that.
