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View Poll Results: The middle class is suffering and Republicans want to cut taxes for the wealthy. Do you agree with t
Yes, the wealthy need more money and power. This will help America. 38 20.54%
No, the Republicans are dead wrong.This hasn't ever helped anyone but the wealthy and will continue to hurt the middle class. 147 79.46%
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Old 12-29-2011, 02:51 PM
 
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Incorrect. The middle class does, in fact, have assets. Many have equity in their homes, 401k's, IRA's, 529's, etc.
The middle class has a larger share of the nation's income than it does the nation's assets or the nation's wealth.

Therefore, taxing income hurts the middle class more than taxing wealth or taxing assets.

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Under your plan, they would have to liquify/sell those assets to pay their asset tax bills.
No they wouldn't. This would reduce their overall tax burden.

 
Old 12-29-2011, 02:58 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The middle class has a larger share of the nation's income than it does the nation's assets or the nation's wealth.
False. The rich (top 1%) have about 35% of the wealth (net worth). Guess who has the rest...

Who Rules America: Wealth, Income, and Power
 
Old 12-29-2011, 03:12 PM
 
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Since Warren founded and owned Berkshire, his profits were not taxed at 15%. Warren Buffet and Berkshire ARE the same thing.
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It's not that hard...Buffet founded Berkshire, was the largest stockholder for years, he and Berkshire are the same thing.
Wow.... you need some knew sources. You can stop embarrassing yourself by staying quiet.
 
Old 12-29-2011, 03:27 PM
 
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False. The rich (top 1%) have about 35% of the wealth (net worth). Guess who has the rest...

Who Rules America: Wealth, Income, and Power
The top 5%?
 
Old 12-29-2011, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Wow.... you need some knew sources. You can stop embarrassing yourself by staying quiet.
Warren Edward Buffett (pronounced /ˈbʌfɨt/; born August 30, 1930) is an American business magnate, investor, and philanthropist. He is widely regarded as one of the most successful investors in the world. Often introduced as "legendary investor, Warren Buffett",[5][6] he is the primary shareholder, chairman and CEO of Berkshire Hathaway.[7] He is consistently ranked among the world's wealthiest people. He was ranked as the world's wealthiest person in 2008[8] and is the third wealthiest person in the world as of 2011.[9]

Before he bought Berkshire, it was not remotely the same as after he purchased it and grew it to what we now consider Berkshire. It was a dying textile company. It is now a holding company.
 
Old 12-29-2011, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Sales tax is zero?
46% pay no Federal Income Tax.
 
Old 12-29-2011, 03:33 PM
 
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False. The rich (top 1%) have about 35% of the wealth (net worth). Guess who has the rest...

Who Rules America: Wealth, Income, and Power
You evidently had some trouble reading that.

I will repeat:

The middle class has a larger share of the nation's income than it does the nation's assets or the nation's wealth.
 
Old 12-29-2011, 03:54 PM
 
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No, it reduces the profit the corporation receives. No matter how you slice it, you aren't paying the taxes, the corporation you own is.

The priviledge of incorporation is a huge benefit; nobody twisted your arm and forced you to invest with a corporation. If you don't like the tax terms, then don't do it.

If you want to "be the business", and pay it as personal income, there are tax vehicles where this can be arranged.
You dont have a darn clue, do you? most business owners file business profits on their OWN tax returns, and AGAIN, are subject to taxation when they sell their businesses..

Thats DOUBLE taxation no matter how much you want to ignore the truth
 
Old 12-29-2011, 03:59 PM
 
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You dont have a darn clue, do you? most business owners file business profits on their OWN tax returns, and AGAIN, are subject to taxation when they sell their businesses..
How's that any different in an individual paying taxes on wages, and then investing in stocks, and paying capital gains on that? Both are "double taxed" by your totally arbitrary standards.

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Thats DOUBLE taxation no matter how much you want to ignore the truth
You forgot the gas tax. And airline taxes. That's triple tax, quadruple tax. Wait, there are more taxes than that. Quintuple taxes. We'd better start looking up prefixes.
 
Old 12-29-2011, 04:39 PM
 
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The top 5%?
The top 5% is not the rich. The income cutoff for the top 5% is $154,643. That's not rich. Just ask Obama. Or OWS.
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